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mottallica

Posts: 177
Joined: Mar. 25 2012
From: Israel

advice on a guitar buying

Hey , as i've said before , im going to barcelona to see the FCB VS español match in 5/5/12 and i wanted to take advantage of the much lower prices in spain to buy a flamenco guitar (i'm new to flamenco and im planing on spending about 500-700 euros max)
i found only 2 kind of decent shops (according to recommendations) : casa luthier and casa parramon in barcelona.

and before you tell me that prices in barcelona arn't that great , the predenio saez 22 cost here in israel 1100 euros and the yamaha which you talk about all the time is 710 euros , so anything in barcelona is better then here

these are the emails i got when enquired for guitars

from casa parramon

Studio qualities:

XIPRER LAMINAT 215,00
XIPRER LAMINAT 285,00
XIPRER QLS 362,00
SICOMOR 400,00
MIXTA (const.flamenca/fusta clàssica) 500,00
XIPRER 560,00

Concert professional qualities

Juan Montes 800,00
XIPRER 1 1.200,00

from casa luthier

We work with different brands. They make nice guitars around the prices that your asking for :

Camps M7S - 529€

Hernandez estudio - 575€

Vicente Carrillo Alcazaba blanca - 555€

Prudencio Sáez 22/24 - 586€

Vicente Carrillo Alcazaba negra - 723€

Antonio Picado 49 F - 745€

Vicente Carrillo La Cañada - 1008€

do you recommend on any of those?
or maybe on another shop in barcelona and a difftrent guitar?
in the end , im playing guitar for 10 years, mostly electric , but i know a good guitar when i see one , so i wont get ripped off too much, just need some help from people who know these kind of guitars better so i can get the most for my money

and one last question , does any of you have experiance with jose antonio fuentez the luthier? what do you know about him?

sorry for the long post and thanks for you help :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 19:51:02

gounaro

Posts: 875
Joined: Sep. 28 2008
From: Athens, Hellas

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

You wont get anything serious in Barcelona. Trying visit Sevilla or Granada...

I was trying to buy a guitar too in Barca four years ago. But nothing special!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 22:43:43

mottallica

Posts: 177
Joined: Mar. 25 2012
From: Israel

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to gounaro)

quote:

anything serious in Barcelona. Trying visit Sevilla or Granada...

I was trying to buy a guitar too in Barca four years ago. But not

i know it's not the best place, but i'm with my dad - it's to celebrate me finishing my army service together and we didn't plan on leaving barca when we booked the trip and it's not like here in israel where everything is close ^^ to get to granada is like 16 hours , and what i can get in barca still beats the hell out of anything in israel

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 22:50:41

gounaro

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From: Athens, Hellas

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

You wont get anything good in Barcelona my friend. But with this price range Casa Luthier is the best choice. All other markets are for tourists like me and you.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 23:13:15

Doitsujin

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RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

The best advice would be.. take a friend with you who can play very good. They wont even show you good guitars if you arent good...even not if you ask for that. But for 500euros.....doesnt matter...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 23:14:01

mottallica

Posts: 177
Joined: Mar. 25 2012
From: Israel

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to Doitsujin)

and what about the list i gave? is there anything preferable over the other?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 9 2012 23:50:57

Escribano

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Joined: Jul. 6 2003
From: England, living in Italy

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

quote:

to get to granada is like 16 hours

Nah, I regularly drove to Granada from Santander in under 10 hours. You could get there in 8

Keep an eye out for a low end Bernal. You could do a lot worse.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2012 0:10:50

keith

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Joined: Sep. 29 2009
From: Back in Boston

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

mottallica--well you are going there anyways so why not spend a few hours at casa luthier and check them out--you have nothing to lose since you already have a ticket and have invested time and energy. you may find something you like or you may discover for your price range you do not like them. also, do not limit yourself to new guitars--there may be some used guitars that you might like.

as to your list--that is something you gotta discover for yourself since all of the guitars you mention are factory guitars and there is a lot of variability with factory made guitars. that said, the saez may work for you as they seem to have a favorable reputation from posts i have read at various sites and it fits your price range.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2012 0:20:35

mottallica

Posts: 177
Joined: Mar. 25 2012
From: Israel

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to Escribano)

quote:

ularly drove to Granada from Santander in under 10 hours. You could get there in 8 Keep an eye out for a low end Bernal. You could do a lot worse.

well , i'm only going to use public transportation , therefore i'll be very surprised if i can beat even 14 hours, and even 6 hours, back and forth wastes a full day which i prefer on using to enjoy the sights

and keith , wll thats pretty much what i planned on doing , since i've been playing guitar for 10 years already i know a good guitar , just not that experienced with flamenco, i'm also going to start checking some here the be abl to compare better
jsut wanted to know if somthing is recommeded like the yamaha that is mentioned a lot in the forum

anyways thanks a lot to all for you advice :)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2012 5:47:55

keith

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From: Back in Boston

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

mottallica--i am not sure if you know of this guy who is a luthier from israel who has sold a few guitars through guitarsalon. his price range may be outside of your price range but he may be a good resource as well as a guitar buddy.

http://erez-perelman.com/

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2012 9:40:22

mottallica

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From: Israel

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to keith)

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now of this guy who is a luthier from israel who has sold a few guitars through guitarsalon. his price range may be outside of your price range but he may be a good resource as well as a guitar buddy.

i know him , not personally. he sells guitars for 6000$ . thats a bit over my head :P

i do have a connection to boaz elkayam . i hope to apprentice with him one day , but he's not a flamenco player , thus i don't know how much can he help me with flamenco guitars

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 10 2012 16:49:02

Jackjack

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Joined: Sep. 12 2010

RE: advice on a guitar buying (in reply to mottallica)

I was in mottallica's position before. Years ago I went to Barcelona for a business conference and I had only one afternoon to buy my guitar (not to mention they have siesta) before returning to the hotel for the company gala dinner at 6:30 pm. Obviously one cannot buy one's dream guitar in a few hours. Since you know guitar, my advice is just buy one which is acceptable to you and hopefully, it will be a few years afterwards before you want to upgrade.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 11 2012 17:53:01