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britguy

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'Finger-freeze'? 

Occasionally I get invited to play in some kind of public situation; folk clubs, charity concerts etc. Nothing too special. But I invariably seem to get plagued with 'finger-freeze', especially on the right hand. This is especially true when playing arpeggios, where my fingers seem to miss many of the notes - even though I may know the passage really well!

Usually there's no convenient space (other than the washroom) to 'warm-up' prior to playing, so that might be part of the problem?

I guess its just nerves and too infrequent playing in front of an audience. But I'd welcome any suggestions as to how to improve or eliminate it.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 15:21:58
 
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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

Well I think we have all had this issue at one time or another. I still get a bit nervous when I perform but its much better than it used to be. I think some of it is just gettting used to performing, the more you do it the more confidence and less negative thoughts creep in like, I am not good enough or I have no business doing this. Another thing that helped me was this article by a guitarist named Tom Hess. I think his thoughts ring very true and in fact I keep the last line of this article in my guitar case and look at it before a gig. Give it a read and hopefully it will help:
Sig--

"Whether you play for tens of thousands of people every night as part of a world tour, or 20 people at a backyard barbeque, most of the mental anxieties musicians experience while playing live are the same. In almost every case the negative little voice in your head is centered around fear (fear of rejection, self doubt, etc.). We all have experienced some level of fear or nervousness when playing live at some time or another. You may have felt a fear of failure, fear of making mistakes, fear of what the audience will think of you, your music or your band. Have you ever asked yourself questions like:

“What if I make mistakes?”
“Am I even good enough to be playing on a stage?”
“What if the crowd doesn’t like the band, the music, or me?”
“Is this show going to be a disaster?”

Here are some things to think about before your next gig (they definitely work if you use them, especially if you put them all together in your thoughts).

1.Don’t put unnecessary pressure on yourself to perform at a very high level. The time to experience pressure is while practicing at home or in rehearsals with your band. The gig is not the time to be putting additional stress/pressure on yourself. Yes you need to concentrate on what you are doing, but have fun. If you won’t allow yourself to have fun during a live concert, when will you allow yourself to ever actually enjoy music?
2.As a professional musician, the pressure to consistently perform on a world class level is higher on me now than ever before. I perform better by focusing on having fun and living my dream than worrying about making a mistake. I look at it this way, if I play 30,000 notes a night and I play 3 notes imperfectly, that means I have played 99.99% of all notes correctly. It would be pointless for me to concern myself about the 0.01% of mistakes while on the stage. If I need to practice something later to make sure I don’t make the same errors in the next concert, then I will deal with that tomorrow while practicing, not on stage.
You probably play at least a few thousand notes a gig too (maybe a lot more). Of course most of us strive for perfection, but don’t beat yourself up over a few mistakes. Be happy and give yourself the credit you deserve for playing 97%, 98%, 99%, or 99.999999% of the notes correctly. Don’t let your desire to be perfect cripple you when the reality is that none of us can ever be perfect all of the time. If you were taking an exam at a major university and you answered 99% of the questions correctly you would feel pretty good about yourself right?! Congratulations, you just earned the grade of an “A”! Be happy with that while you are on the stage. You can go back home and practice the other 1% later.

3.Remember this, when you are on stage performing (for 20 people or 20,000) everyone in the audience envies you. Almost everyone there wishes they could be the one up on the stage with all of the talent that you have. Even if they don’t like your music, they at least envy your position up there on the stage. So the next time you are on stage and feel nervous, remind yourself that the people in the crowd are “in the crowd”, only you (and your fellow musicians) are the ones “on the stage”... living the dream at that moment. Think back to when you began playing guitar. Remember thinking how cool it must be to be up on a stage playing in front of people who have come to see and hear you? Remember how much you desired that when you began. When you walk out on the stage, remind yourself how far you have come as a player. You are now able to do something you always wanted to be doing. The size of the concerts you play are not important really. What IS important is what you have already achieved. You are performing on stage, most people only dream about that, but now you will have actually done it! Feel good about that, don’t ruin the excitement and pleasure of that experience by fear of making a mistake or two.
4.In the end, it's all about the music. It’s not about you or me really. As musicians we are the real instruments from which music flows. The instruments we play are merely extensions of our beings. When you play for others, you are a “giver”. When was the last time you ever felt nervous or afraid of doing something nice for someone else? If you hold the door open for a little old lady do you feel nervous or afraid? When you donate money to a charity, do you experience fear or self doubt about that? When you give your time to someone who needs help, do you feel nervous about that? Playing music should be no different. Don’t think of yourself as an Olympic competitor that must perform perfectly to win a gold medal. Don’t think you have disappointed the entire human race if you make a mistake or if the crowd doesn’t like your concert. If you think of your performance as “giving to others”… you won’t feel nervous or afraid, stage fright will melt away. When you perform, you add value to people’s experience when they hear you. Some may like it and some may not, it’s their choice or preference and even if you play perfectly, not everyone will love what you are doing. That comes with the territory. But you will have given of yourself either way. You came to share what you do with the audience. Feel good about that because when you feel good, the chances of making mistakes in a performance diminish.

If you don’t get anything else out of this article, at least remember this:
"The best antidote for stage fright is to change the mindset from “impressing others” to “giving to others”.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 15:39:58
 
britguy

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to sig

That's a very usefull article. Thanks.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 15:56:25
 
edguerin

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

Might be arthritis

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 16:45:30
 
beno

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

Thank You Sig! that is a great article! I'm performing tomorrow

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srshea

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

My own dumbed down, layman’s understanding of this phenomenon is that when you’re put into a stressful situation (whether it’s a life and death matter or just a bit of stage fright), your body produces adrenaline, triggering your basic fight or flight response. Adrenaline’s good for aiding in crude physical tasks like giving you the extra strength to beat up the cave bear that’s trying to eat your children or giving you the extra boost of energy to run away from that bear, but it sucks for fine-detail manual tasks like arpeggio. If you don’t flush the adrenaline out of your blood stream by fighting or fleeing then it just lingers for a while, leaving you jittery, shaky and clumsy in the hands.

So, the only thing to do is just try to get over the stage fright and learn to relax when you perform, and not get all wound up with adrenaline. So, the usual relaxation stuff, controlling your breath, etc. You could run around the block before the performance, or maybe punch someone out right before you go on stage and see if that helps....
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 20:21:39
 
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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to beno

You're welcome and I hope it helps...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 21:09:59
 
britguy

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to srshea

quote:

or maybe punch someone out right before you go on stage and see if that helps....


Guess you must be Irish!

(Actually, years ago I played with an Irish friend in a well-known Montreal Irish watering hole, where there were often punch-outs before we played. Dont ever remember having any 'stage fright' there. But it was a long time ago, and accompanying Irish rebel songs is a lot easier than solo Flamenco. . . )

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srshea

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

On second thought, you might be better off headbutting your victim rather than punching him. You don't want to hurt your hands right before you go on....
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Ricardo

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

discussed much in the past. I argue it is mostly mental, but it is good idea to play something first that warms you up to playing the harder stuff.

Anyway, the first thing to try that works is grease or petroleum product on your RH finger tips...gives you a security with arps and other techniques when you are not warmed up. Next, stimulants. I mean you can mediate and do yoga or whatever, but most people will have a drink or do drugs to calm the nerves. It is dangerous because a lot of performers become reliant on it. But if you are a person who drinks a glass of wine often anyway, it can help relax and get in the right mood for performing well with expression, without the techniques getting in the way.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 10 2012 23:23:41
 
britguy

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

But if you are a person who drinks a glass of wine often anyway, it can help relax and get in the right mood for performing well with expression, without the techniques getting in the way

Interesting that you should mention this. But I do seem to play much better after one glass of wine. But after two or three, then maybe the coordination starts to slip a little. Of course, at that time, I probably dont care too much anyway. . .

But you make a good point. . .

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Munin

 

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

I have heard people in the classical music community often use beta blockers...but don't know how damaging that is really...
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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to srshea

quote:

ORIGINAL: srshea

... or maybe punch someone out right before you go on stage and see if that helps....


Willy deVille ( RIP) tried to provoke me once before his concert. The security staff then told me that it was his personal routine to have a fight right before gigs.

I always digged his music, but this is a sick way to deal with one´s own imperfection.

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Doitsujin

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

Just have "the moment of excellence" right before you go on stage.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 11 2012 14:54:19
 
britguy

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

grease or petroleum product on your RH finger tips...gives you a security with arps and other techniques when you are not warmed up


Grease on the fiongertips!

I vaguely remember something on this on a previous post. Does it really work? and how do you apply it; what? and how much, etc.

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kudo

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

I found a way to over come it, think of your audience as someone you want to punch in the face, and all that **** goes away and you nail it hard! I learned that its all mental!

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

quote:

I vaguely remember something on this on a previous post. Does it really work? and how do you apply it; what? and how much, etc.


I think I remember someone telling me paco used to put a small dab of vasalene on the face of his guitar, and if needed he would just dab his finger(s) in it.

Whether the story is true or not, I don't know.
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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

Grisha once posted something on this subject that I thought was interesting and different: find a quiet corner/room/etc and play a very slow pretty piece. It's worked for me. Calms the nerves.

How often it seems tempting to practice all the hard bits just one more time, right?

I think grisha's suggestion is a better route to the inner calm and surrender necessary for relaxing on stage.

Of course, if there's no quiet place or green room, there's always bourbon. :)
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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to vigrond

quote:

I think I remember someone telling me paco used to put a small dab of vasalene on the face of his guitar, and if needed he would just dab his finger(s) in it.


Someone posted a video of PDL surreptitiously putting some Vaseline on his fingers during a concert. He had it hidden above the heel of the guitar he was playing.

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britguy

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to turnermoran

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Of course, if there's no quiet place or green room, there's always bourbon. :)


Unfortunately the only "quiet place/green room" in our local club is the men's washroom, which is very small and usually quite busy and noisy!

I've never tried bourbon, but I do enjoy a nice glass of wine. I'm just afraid it might ruin my coordination, what little there is. . .

Maybe I'll say ' to hell with it' and just get on with it. . .

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edguerin

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

quote:

Grease on the fiongertips!

I vaguely remember something on this on a previous post. Does it really work? and how do you apply it; what? and how much, etc.

You can use vaseline or if you have oily skin, just wipe your forehead with your fingertips...

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

Just saw this in another forum, thought it might be helpful:
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Feb. 14 2012 0:57:15
 
britguy

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to RTC

quote:

Just saw this in another forum, thought it might be helpful:


That is an extremely usefull video, and makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

(P.S. I'm having trouble saving it in my system. What's the usual way?)

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

I do not know how to do that, maybe a computer savvy member can help,
Sorry
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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

it is mostly mental, but it is good idea to play something first that warms you up


warm up is for your mind as well as (if not more than) your hands
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Paul Magnussen

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RE: 'Finger-freeze'? (in reply to britguy

quote:

I guess its just nerves and too infrequent playing in front of an audience. But I'd welcome any suggestions as to how to improve or eliminate it.


Everybody gets this to a greater or lesser extent, even though it might not seem that way.

Paco Peña reckons that you lose 50% of your technique playing for an audience; and it’s well to take this into account when planning your programme.

As to warming up: Paco plays very, very slowly, but in perfect time, gradually speeding up as the session goes on. In particular, he does this with tremolo — you may have noticed how even his tremolo is.

A bunch of us in Manuel Barrueco’s masterclass once asked him how he overcame nerves (which he said he did suffer from, although it seemed hard to believe). He said that he tells himself: Well, I was more nervous than this in New York (or wherever), and I played OK then; so I can do it now.

Hope this helps.

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