Compas analysis for all you scientists

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El Oud

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Joined: Apr. 14 2005

Compas analysis for all you scientists

Just found this:

http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~godfried/publications/winfield.pdf

I'll have to study it...but doubt if it will help

Chronotonic? Phylogenetic?

Ron will understand

El Oud

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 5 2005 8:11:37

Ron.M

Posts: 7051
Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Compas analysis for all you scie... (in reply to El Oud)

quote:

Ron will understand

No he won't! LOL!....
This is definitely Ricardo's territory!!

That being said I think that every Flamenco student should be forced to learn all this stuff by heart and then take an exam in it before being allowed to touch the guitar.

Where do you find all this stuff Rob?

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 5 2005 8:31:38

Ricardo

Posts: 14848
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: Compas analysis for all you scie... (in reply to El Oud)

Not sure who wrote this, but it looks like an ethnomusicology type project. They are trying to cross-compare some of the main 12 count rhythms to see if mathematics will reveal some sort of "ancestral" accent pattern from which all the flamenco rhythms sprung forth. Pretty stupid. If they simply took some basic drum lessons and understood how compound meters work, they would see how pointless this project is. Also, they don't take into account the importance of subdivision, accent, phrasing, which are all parts of the compas, just as important as the counts. This type of project should not be done by someone who doesn't really "feel" the compas, or know flamenco. Fandango is not a "beat", it is a song. "Abandolao", is probably a beat pattern they should study instead, if they are looking for "root rhythms" of flamenco.

Music changes constantly. The feel decades ago is different than today. You would need a time machine to know how music was really interpreted before the age of recording technology.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 5 2005 18:04:33

Doitsujin

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Joined: Apr. 10 2005

RE: Compas analysis for all you scie... (in reply to El Oud)

Its a reserch paper of some Mathematics who like flamenco I think.
It was published as normal papers in a jounal. Its name is:Proceedings of BRIDGES: Mathematical Connections in Art, Music
and Science, Southwestern College, Wineld, Kansas, July 30 - August 1, 2004, pp. 61-70.

The mathematics are: J. Miguel Daz-B a~ nez Giovanna Farigu y Francisco Gomez z David Rappaport x Godfried T. Toussaint {

If you have question about the work you can make contact here:

Department of Applied Mathematics II, University of Sevilla. dbanez@us.es
Concert Pianist, Real Escuela Profesional de Danza de Madrid. giovanna.f@wanadoo.es
Department of Applied Mathematics, Universidad Politecnica de Madrid. fmartin@eui.upm.es
School of Computing, Queen's University. daver@cs.queensu.ca
School of Computer Science, McGill University. godfried@cs.mcgill.ca

Its a math journal where mathematics can publish research work.
The scientists do research about something and when they found out a small part of a big topic, they proof it with experiments and publish it in special jounals for scientists who do research on the same topic on an other part.
So they dont need to name all parts, only one part. Other scientists will use it for reference on their work. Thats a usual way of research.

This prodject is very difficult , coz I think flamenco is the opposite part of math-rules and strict-logic. You cant discribe feelings with formulars. But after all its interesting. ^^

But before you ask them something, read the reference-papers [1-26] hehe..^^

EDIT: Do the people who wrote this know flamenco well? Or did they only read the theory??
I think they only know flamenco from books... Does anybody ever saw somebody counting siguiryas 0 . 2 . 4 . 7 . 10 ???? And 0 for the 12?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 5 2005 19:51:45

Ron.M

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Joined: Jul. 7 2003
From: Scotland

RE: Compas analysis for all you scie... (in reply to Doitsujin)

Mathematics is good stuff...almost an art in itself.
But sometimes these guys get a bit carried away.
Like the time somebody discovered that the height of the Great Pyramid divided by the base length was some sort of exact proportion of the distance from the Earth to the Moon.
Another guy responded by saying that the height of his living room door divided by it's width came out to 2.718 which is "e" and was significant.
But for these guys, applying maths to all sorts of everyday stuff can sometimes give real insight into very complicated stuff...like chaos theory.
Somebody write to them and ask them to investigate the "rhythm" of "even" tremolo.

They'll probably fight each other over the right to do the project.

cheers

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 5 2005 20:31:29

Tenshu

Posts: 150
Joined: Oct. 18 2003
From: Belgium

RE: Compas analysis for all you scie... (in reply to Ron.M)

Written by Francisco Gomez huh? Isn't that Paco? Or just one of the other million of Francisco Gomez-es?

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-T

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 6 2005 8:18:04

El Oud

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Joined: Apr. 14 2005

RE: Compas analysis for all you scie... (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M

Where do you find all this stuff Rob?

Ron

It just falls out of the computer... I'm working in a library part-time, and get lots of spare time to surf the net for useless information...such as the article we are discussing.

BTW, chaos theory just about explains my flamenco playing!

El Oud

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 6 2005 8:35:26