How to choos a good flamenco guitar

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duende

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How to choos a good flamenco guitar

What do our luthiers at the foro think?

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JuanDaBomb

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

man, what is up with that red?

looks like a red pistachio!

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Sorry Henrik, after 2.30min, I got to bored.

So no comments on doctor Diaz homecooking

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XXX

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

is it me or does the rosewood guitar sound brighter than the cypress one?

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keith

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

i love the good professor's use of hollywood technique to get the camera to zoom in (6:55).

he spent a lot of time with the angle of the neck and the ability to shove his card underneath the strings. was his argument legit about the strings touching and sound and tension?

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duende

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to keith)

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was his argument legit about the strings touching and sound and tension?

That´s what i was wondering

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 9:32:17

gounaro

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Bored...

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C. Vega

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Diaz is an idiot.
The strings touching the wood of the head will have no bearing on the sound, at least not one that human ears are capable of hearing, especially as one plays up the neck. A long, loose string end can conceivably vibrate against the head and create an annoying buzz but beyond that....
That "negra" needs a good setup or has other problems.

The angle of the head in relation to the neck shaft is not the "neck angle". Neck angle is the relationship of the plane of the neck shaft to the body of the guitar.

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estebanana

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Here we go again!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 18:29:01

DonS

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

whoah.. talking crap about Luis Feu de Mesquita's guitars

I designed that headstock for the Reyes copy he built me in 2009. I'm glad Luis is using it on his new guitars.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=101305&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=mesquita&tmode=&smode=&s=#109075

I don't see any relation to the strings touching the headstock issue being a problem.. I've owned a few very good Spanish guitars as well as a DeVoe blanca that had this going on. One thing is for sure Ruben is a very convincing salesman

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 19:04:44

duende

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to estebanana)

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Here we go again!

I knew that

Im not getting a new guitar or anything i was just curious because i know Diaz history with this foro

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 19:06:32

Anders Eliasson

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

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Im not getting a new guitar or anything i was just curious because i know Diaz history with this foro

You were just bored and wanted to stirr up things a bit. You swedish trashmetal punk.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 19:30:45

kozz

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

quote:

I knew that

For good ol' days then

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estebanana

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

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You were just bored and wanted to stirr up things a bit. You swedish trashmetal punk.

HA hahahah Swede bashing!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 20:00:20

DonS

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Henrik...I just remembered you're from Sweden.. what part? I was in Gothenburg march of this year...freaggin COLD! :) loved the downtown area and the nice cafes you guys have. I went to the the Göteborg Opera, saw a concert at Symphony Orchestra next the museum etc..great art scene. Any other flamencos other than you in that area?

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duende

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

DonS You should have been here in july instead!

We´ve got some realy good flamencos actually. Robban Svärd and Emil Pernblad (modern style guitar) And Robbans girlfriend Ann who dances realy good.

I sit in with Robban and Ann´s dance classes every other week.

/Henrik the swede

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 21:18:32

duende

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

quote:

You were just bored and wanted to stirr up things a bit. You swedish trashmetal punk.

you´ve got me!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 21:20:08

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 12 2011 23:59:57

Gimar Yestra

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

someone told me that diaz is from mexico, then again maybe he told me the guitars are made in mexico. I cant recall :D

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estebanana

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

I think a while back we determined he was from the Distrito Federal in Mexico.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2011 0:56:07

Don Dionisio

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

He was banned from Paco's forum also and tried to disguise himself with the name 'Armando Guerra' ('waging war'). The guys on the forum easily recognized who he was by his rantings and by his Latin American idiosyncractic language.

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Guest

RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to Don Dionisio)

any one notice that when PDL world tour included Canada he very quickly made an exit and relocated in Malaga?...is it just co- incidence? maybe....

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odinz

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to Guest)

Im getting sick of looking around the net for flamenco stuff and allways find his links...Also he just keeps using famous names to market himself, and I think that is disrespecting both the luthiers and Paco de Lucia, neither him or his guitars have a level even close to that in my ears.

Hey Anders, When I come around Ill bring a card!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2011 4:01:15

Sean

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

He was colourful for sure, try watching this with the sound off while keeping a straight face, it can't be done.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2011 17:26:47

bule_b

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Ok apart from the Ruben bashing can someone (luthier) address the whole strings touching the headstock?
I try and wind my strings in such a way that there is always clearance, so is it ok to have string touching the headstock or not? And why?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2011 18:43:45

estebanana

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

Everything he says is garbage from a guitar maker standpoint. He does not know his ass from his elbow. He can't hear either, he can't distinguish much because he does not compare good guitars to one another.

Help much?

It does not matter that much if the strings graze the string ramp. Ideally you would not want that to happen, but it's not a problem as long at it's a lower than the nut slot. He makes an issue out of something that is a non issue. If he could actually hear he would tell you the best way to pick a flamenco guitar is by listening and feeling lots of guitars before you choose. Or have some one help you pick one who is not trying to sell you the guitar.

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Gimar Yestra

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

exactly, if someone needs that many theories to sell a guitar, something is wrong.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 13 2011 22:41:08

Sean

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RE: How to choos a good flamenco guitar (in reply to duende)

I was really digging the cool, Sam Rami, Evil Dead style camera work, then I realized the camera wasn't moving.

This could easily be turned into a public health message for dietary fiber.

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