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Joined: Feb. 23 2005
From: La Jolla, Ca
Flamenco chord-variation chart
I'm working on chord variations, and am using www.chordfind.com, but it has no clue with many of the chords used in flamenco. Keeps telling me there's "no chord found"!
Is there some website showing flamenco chords and their variations up the scale?
We talked about this in another forum. I clipped what I wrote there because it sort of goes w/ what you are asking for:
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Good question. Keep in mind that flamenco guitar is very technique oriented vs other styles. In other words the special fingerings are more for how one will pass from one chord to another rather than like in jazz were you want a certain voicing for a musical or harmonic reason...Anyway, don't worry so much about ALL the chords in a key vs., the chords that pass from one to another. For example moving from C7-Bb, would be different than C7-F bar chord, and C7-F maj 7 is different too. Regardless if you are in the "key" of A phrygian, Aminor, E phyg, etc. Here are examples:
The right hand technique can also dictate which chord fingering is most appropriate. I can imagine making a book that goes through different chord voicings through flamenco progressions, would be a very big task. Best to focus your time on right had strumming and technique and learn the different chording combos slowly as your right hand progresses.
One place to start is Merengue de Cordoba's Cante accompaniment vid from Encuentro. Many different palos w/ tons of typical chord progressions. Comes w/ huge tab book and a smaller chord chart book.
Ricardo
Basically there are special voicings depending on the fingering you use, and where you are headed. If you want chords used in a specific palo, maybe folks can give some examples, but there is not a chord book for flamenco that I know of.
Thanks, but what I was seeking was...well, I went to chordfind.com. What they have is a chord chart that when you hit 'variations', it shows EVERYWHERE on the neck it can be played... That's what I was seeking.
The problem is, like a Buleria in por medio, the flamenco B doesn't really exist in the rest of music, it's like a 'color chord', as my neighbor say - very Spanish.
So what I was looking for, was a chart that showed me everywhere that flamenco B could be played - along with some of the other chords inherent to flamenco.
RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to Ramón)
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Merengue de Cordoba's Cante accompaniment vid from Encuentro. Many different palos w/ tons of typical chord progressions. Comes w/ huge tab book and a smaller chord chart book.
ok, im a dummy where would one get this and does it indicate the progressions via the style , like in a buleria you play a, b etc and solea e, em7 fm7 etc etc.??? thanks. If it just a chord book it wouldnt help me much the progrsssions via the style would be more helpful thanks.
RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to Ramón)
Hi Ramón, some time ago I too screened many books and the internet for that. To find chord-variations of simple chords, which doenst exist in the usual hamonie-theorie. In flamenco u can use many chords which sound nice, but are from a harmonical-point of view absolute nonsense.. I tabed some variatinos only for some chords to make my falsetas more modern. Its for la tonalidad of farruca -solea--- take a look at it. I cant upload it here. I upload it here"http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=17775&p=1&tmode=1&smode=1 ". But you may already know all.
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RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to Doitsujin)
Thanks guys.....Lots of good variations... I'm not all that familiar using Guitar Pro, so I'm not sure if there is something I missed, but I am seeking the 'flamenco B', and everywhere on the neck that B can be played. Couldn't find it on this page (GP-4). Any thoughts on that?
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RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to Ramón)
Hi Ramon, first of all it is Bb you are looking for. Second, the "flamenco" version just has some open strings ringing so look for Bb#11, or Bb6#11, Bb9#11, etc, and you will find variations all over the neck. But, again, why do you want that? Why not learn the "flamenco" fingerings, since that is good enough for flamenco.
The special flamenco chords are ideomatic for the instrument, but learning all the variations on the neck is more for jazz and transposing to different tonalities. What sounds "flamenco" about a chord or progression, is the way it is fingered. Alot of the "wrong" harmonic notes, are simply the result of employing open strings against fretted notes. It is not meant to be a part of the harmonic anaysis where one would want to harmonize the thing all over the neck.
"Flamenco Bb"
E--1--0--0--0--0--0--5--0--5--0-------0-- There are others... B--3--3--3--3--3--1--3--3--5--6------11-- G--3--3--3--3--3--1--3--3--7--7--7--10-- D--3--3--3--0--0--0--3--7--8--8--0---8--- A---------1--1--1--1--0-----5--0--8-------- E----------------1--1---------6-----6--10---
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If it just a chord book it wouldnt help me much the progrsssions via the style would be more helpful thanks.
There is a HUGE tab book w/ falsetas and fingerings. The chord book (2 books come w/ the vid) is useful if you are a guitarist who can read a chart, and already understands the rhythm of the flamenco forms. Like, you know the compas already, but want to understand the song structure (harmonic progression) of both popular and some obscure cantes. It is a good reference. You can get it from anyone selling Encuentro vids, such as Flamenco World or Flamencoconnection.
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RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to Ramón)
THAT...is what I was looking for..that 5,3,3,0/3,3,7/11,10,8,10...Thanks for the help and patience...
What interested me was I saw two guys doing a Sevillana, and one guy was playing a harmony of the chords higher up the neck. Sounded great, so I figured out some of it (could be mixed into a falsetta), but the B / Bb thing was throwing me.
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RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
There is a HUGE tab book w/ falsetas and fingerings. The chord book (2 books come w/ the vid) is useful if you are a guitarist who can read a chart, and already understands the rhythm of the flamenco forms. Like, you know the compas already, but want to understand the song structure (harmonic progression) of both popular and some obscure cantes. It is a good reference. You can get it from anyone selling Encuentro vids, such as Flamenco World or Flamencoconnection.
Ricardo
sorry to bring up a long dead post.. but ricardo or anyone can remember the name of this video/book?
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RE: Flamenco chord-variation chart (in reply to HolyEvil)
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ORIGINAL: HolyEvil
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo
There is a HUGE tab book w/ falsetas and fingerings. The chord book (2 books come w/ the vid) is useful if you are a guitarist who can read a chart, and already understands the rhythm of the flamenco forms. Like, you know the compas already, but want to understand the song structure (harmonic progression) of both popular and some obscure cantes. It is a good reference. You can get it from anyone selling Encuentro vids, such as Flamenco World or Flamencoconnection.
Ricardo
sorry to bring up a long dead post.. but ricardo or anyone can remember the name of this video/book?
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