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Janne H

 

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Alegrias compas? 
http://youtu.be/BvzEtFKyYqA

Hi,

I was wonder about the compas in this alegrias, feels like it starts on 12 almost like a bulerias, anyone care to explain?

Janne
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
can start on 12 or 1. that could be considered the "start." and it can switch. for instance, you can play a compas that starts on 12 then have a remate that goes 10 11 12 (the 12 would be considered the end there) then rasgueado 1 2 3 for the start of the second compas, then the 1 could be considered the start of the second compas.

but i think it's confusing to think about where the start is. the compas keeps going and you would just play along. sometimes i come in on 3 or do a pick up on 7 8.

most falsetas start on the 1 or the and of 1.

i hope that helped and i didnt just confuse you even more.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2011 16:06:00
 
Janne H

 

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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
No, your explanation helps, thanks!

The 78 10 thing has a nice flow to it.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2011 16:32:22
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
To my ear thats a bulerias, not alegrias.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2011 19:44:11
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
I also thought this is a buleria in major
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2011 20:11:57
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Rmn) 
there was a topic about this piece a couple of years back and there was an intense argument about it too...i remember Ricardo saying that this was in fact bulerías de cádiz...
while the harmony sounds alegrías, the speed and phrasing is bulerías, so i wouldn't say this is the best example of alegrías...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2011 21:14:21
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
I hear it as an alegría for the most part but I can certainly see calling it a bulería de Cádiz.

Ricardo:
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9. Puerta del Principe-Alegrias or Bulerias de Cadiz. Anyone who accompanies dance a lot will make the connection here. The chorus is not really alegrias, it is better fit to the groove of bulerias de Cadiz. But the guitar plays a lot of Alegrias type melodies, (playing off the 1 not the 12) very up tempo, so it is sort of trapped between the medium feel Alegria and fast speed bulerias. So you could say it is a slow bulerias de Cadiz, or a fast Alegria. For a guitar solo piece either designation is fine. Again, opinions will very.


Either way, magnificent piece of work!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 16 2011 21:30:43
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
I hear it as an alegrias too.
Doesn't the cante define what form it is?
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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 17 2011 18:39:00
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
I love this piece. It's por Alegrias.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 17 2011 20:43:06
 
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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
Its obviously Alegrias por bulerias.

Just kidding, this is cantiñas en re.

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Alonte

 

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RE: Alegrias compas? (in reply to Janne H) 
LOL! Seriously though I had doubts about this being Alegrias because of the letras and the phrases. Thanks for clarifying that this is Cantiñas.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jun. 17 2011 21:10:38
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