Palos that Paco de Lucía has not recorded in

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Adam

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Palos that Paco de Lucía has not re...

This Almoraima review

http://www.flamenco-world.com/artists/pacodelucia/almoraima.htm

makes the bold claim that

"Paco de Lucía is perhaps the only guitarist that has played in concert all the styles that exist in flamenco."

This sounds completely false to me. So here's a challenge to foro members: let's figure out which styles Paco hasn't recorded in. I'll start!

Peteneras.

(If he has recorded one, though, let me know.)

What else? I don't think he's recorded a martinete but to be fair I don't think that counts.

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CuerdasDulces

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

Does this count?
It's Peteneras.

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marrow3

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

With the other thread I was looking for a Malagueña by Paco and Camaron but could not find one.
But did come accross this:
En la provincia de Cádiz – 1971 (Son Tus Ojos Dos Estrellas)
Petenera corta y larga

edit: sorry -got beaten to it
edit again: found a Malaguena now. pointless post

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Ron.M

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

Ramparts!

You suave, handsome devil you...

Get that Avatar down immediately before I throw up!

(Is that the one you use for the dating sites?)

cheers,

Ron

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

No, but suggestion taken!

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vuduchyld

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to marrow3)

quote:

edit again: found a Malaguena now. pointless post

Got a link?

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marrow3

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to vuduchyld)

La Mujer con ser Mujer (Malaguena de Chacon) - not sure if it is much different from a straight Malaguena. On the Album Son Tus Ojos dos Estrellas.

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to vuduchyld)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vuduchyld

quote:

edit again: found a Malaguena now. pointless post

Got a link?

Well, there's a malagueña on the very same album as the petenera. Like most of Camarón's early albums with Paco, it's just called "El Camarón de la Isla con la colaboración especial de Paco de Lucía", but since there's like six of them they're usually referred to by the name of the first track. This one goes by the title "Son Tus Ojos Dos Estrellas":

http://www.esflamenco.com/product/producto.php?language=en&id=35199848

Here's audio:

and if, for reasons that may be related to the competition, you're interested in learning how to play this, here's a video from my favorite dude on YouTube:

Here's another one:

from his album "El Camarón de la Isla con la colaboración especial de Paco de Lucía"

http://www.esflamenco.com/product/producto.php?language=en&id=23860094

EDIT: Marrow beat me to it!

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Guest)

Oh, good one. I haven't, either.

To bring this back on topic, I was thinking of solo pieces when I posted this, not styles he's done with cante. Whether or not you can play a solo petenera is another discussion entirely, I don't think I've heard any except Carlos Montoya's, but if anyone can figure it out, it's Paco!

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Harry

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

I don't think Paco has done a Serranas.

It is not a very popular palo.

How about Romeras?

In any case, there are so many palos that are kind of old fashioned now that it should not be hard to come up with a few. Verdiales is another that I don't remember him doing, but hey I could be wrong.

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XXX

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

He has done Tico Tico. Isnt that enough?

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Estevan

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

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Whether or not you can play a solo petenera is another discussion entirely

Paco Peña has been doing it for a long time, I think his is based on Sabicas.
(And Pepe Romero recorded one...)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 3 2011 15:51:09

Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Estevan)

*looks*

Oh yeah, I have a couple. One on the Misa Flamenca (which doesn't really count), and one on Azahara. Quite nice.

I've always wanted someone to record a petenera and call it Macbeth, just to piss off the gods.

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Estevan

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

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I've always wanted someone to record a petenera and call it Macbeth, just to piss off the gods.

I say, old chap, do be careful! Surely you mean "I've always wanted someone to record The Jewish Palo and call it The Scottish Play"

.

Good idea - pehaps on your first album, to be entitled 'Tempting Fate; Fearless Flamenco Guitar'

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Estevan)

quote:

The Jewish Palo

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

Ahhh, no wonder I've felt so drawn to peteneras

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LASTIxENIOS

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

He has not record any Zambras .... But zambra is not pure pure flamenco

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 3 2011 20:39:21

Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to LASTIxENIOS)

Is it only one pure then? What determines pure flamenco vs. pure pure flamenco vs. pure pure pure pure flamenco?

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LASTIxENIOS

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to LASTIxENIOS)

he played petenera solo piece in his disc recital de guitarra flamenca with title 'temas del pueblo"

He first make intro and then start petenera and it finish more fast like bulerias in mode major

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to LASTIxENIOS)

Interesting, thanks! Here it is for people who haven't heard it

It's beautiful. Interesting selection of paintings to accompany it though

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LASTIxENIOS

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to LASTIxENIOS)

He also recorded sortilegio.... i dont know who composed it but surely is one petenera...

i am not so expert to tell what is pure flamenco... I just have read some things about flamenco. Also sevillanas is not pure flamenco. nowadays all these palos are incorporated in flamenco because if you would see the structure you will see that they are related.

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mezzo

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to LASTIxENIOS)

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Also sevillanas is not pure flamenco

I thought it was commonly accepted that Sevillana is pure folklore and has very but very little to do with flamenco. At least i hear this from spaniard people who teach flamenco to guiris like us

For you is zambra not pure pure flamenco
a) as rumba
b) but less than rumba
c) but more than rumba
?
d) shut your mouth! Rumba is flamenco

I ask becoz of Entre2Aguas!

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

I believe scientists measure the purocity of a form in purons. For example, seguirilla has 200 purons, zambra has -50 purons, rumba has -100 purons, and Benise has negative infinity purons.

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mezzo

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

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rumba has -100 purons

but when it comes to money $$ It's like water turns into wine...

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Estevan)

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Paco Peña has been doing [peteneras] for a long time, I think his is based on Sabicas.

News to me, if true. I'm only aware of one petenera by Sabas, and that’s on the album with Dolores Vargas, mixed up with a guajira.

Paco has recorded it at least five times:

La Gitarra Flamenca [sic]
Azahara
Misa Flamenca (CD & DVD)
A Flamenco Guitar Recital
A Compàs!

IIRC, at least three of these versions are quite distinct.

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Paul Magnussen

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

quote:

let's figure out which styles Paco hasn't recorded in.

How about:

Alboreás
Danza mora
La caña
Cartageneras
Garrotín
Jaberas
Marianas
Trilleras
Villancicos

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Adam

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

Paul, how many of those exist as solo guitar forms?

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vuduchyld

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RE: Palos that Paco de Lucía has no... (in reply to Adam)

Thanks, ramparts...you were reading me loud and clear. I was thinking about the Beginner's Challenge.

Oh, and another Member of Tribe, here....might have to study up on that palo!

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