Studying Soleares

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Haydn

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Joined: Jan. 29 2011

Studying Soleares

As I continue my journey into the realms of flamenco, it seems the essential palo (if there exists such a thing) is Soleares. Right now I feel that I need to absorb as many different interpretations of it as possible, to internalize the aire and compas, to breath and live it. So it seemed like a good idea to ask the foro to voice their opinions!

Any tips you may have for a flamenco noob on soleares, or any falsettas you think make great studies of the style (tabs or youtube vid etc. would be much appreciated

), or anything really!

It would be cool, if you just want to post a clip of your fave and explain why it is your favourite; who knows we might get an interesting debate going

Much appreciated guys.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 14:31:21

xirdneH_imiJ

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From: Budapest, now in Southampton

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

check out Norman's site - http://www.canteytoque.es/ - many falsetas there...

interestingly, soleá is most often the first 12 beat palo that beginners learn, but i think it's the most difficult one to perform solo or for dance...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 14:41:56

Ramirez

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

Hey Haydn,

To my mind, one of the very best soleares to learn, if you're new to the palo can be found in Paco Pena's book "Toques Flamencos" (in fact every thing in this book is great if you're a new to flamenco.

Paco Pena essentially wrote a book of very authentic flamenco palos, that can be tackled by the beginner/intermediate player.

The solea is full of his stripped down versions of classic falestas by Ramon Montoya and Nino Ricardo – which you'll start to recognise as you become more interested and broaden your listening.

It's a great book to start with (comes with a CD).

You can find it on amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Toques-Flamencos-Spanish-Paco-Peña/dp/0711997985/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301409967&sr=8-1

Hope that helps!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 14:46:28

Haydn

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Ramirez)

Ha! Funny you should mention that Ramirez: I've just finished learning that one a couple of weeks ago!

It really is a great book, and not one I'm likely to get bored of anytime soon. It got me asking myself about how others interpreted this palo, and how one approaches it technically and with authenticity.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 14:48:52

El Kiko

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From: The South Ireland

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

quote:

but i think it's the most difficult one to perform solo

I agree many people may begin with it because it is a slower one , and on a very beginners level it will be easier , but as you progress up the tree of Soleares they get trickier and due to the speed there are a lot more trills and ornaments that can be fitted in, I still think it's a good starting point and you get the feel of the compas of
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

A few months ago I went back to basics on Solea and am still there, although I may have progressed I'm really still stuck on sound and feel , trying to perfect that is never ending...

(and of course it tends to have my old enemy the tremolo....

..)

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 16:21:26

Adam

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From: Hamilton, ON

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

I'd also highly recommend Norman's site for soleá falsetas, a lot of great traditional falsetas that are simple enough to play, develop different techniques, and are still classic and very useful - i.e., perfect material for a beginner! When I first started with my teacher a few years back, the first thing he did was teach me some of those falsetas and gave me a printout of Norman's tabs

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 18:04:04

Haydn

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Adam)

Exactly what I need

Could you post a link to his site, por favor?

Thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 18:55:57

Adam

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From: Hamilton, ON

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

Jimi already kindly posted it for you! :)

quote:

ORIGINAL: xirdneH_imiJ

check out Norman's site - http://www.canteytoque.es/ - many falsetas there...

interestingly, soleá is most often the first 12 beat palo that beginners learn, but i think it's the most difficult one to perform solo or for dance...

In particular here:

http://canteytoque.es/solsamp.htm

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 19:09:14

Haydn

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Adam)

So he did! My bad, Jimi.

Thanks guys, some of these exercises look just about the right level

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 19:14:35

mezzo

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

quote:

It would be cool, if you just want to post a clip of your fave and explain why it is your favourite

Atm i'm focused on that one...

I like it very much but it's nothing comparing with his seguiriya "...las bocacalles". It's just the grooviest seguy i've ever heard

... so far.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 19:28:55

Ron.M

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From: Scotland

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

quote:

It would be cool, if you just want to post a clip of your fave and explain why it is your favourite; who knows we might get an interesting debate going

Hey Haydn,

Here is a clip of a Paco Peña Solea falseta that I adapted to thumb only.

I quite like the simplicity of it and to me it definitely feels "Soleares".

Don't want to upload it again so I'll refer to the original post.

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=90632&appid=&p=&mpage=1

It's easy to play and is good thumb training..

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 19:36:16

Adam

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From: Hamilton, ON

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to mezzo)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mezzo
I like it very much but it's nothing comparing with his seguiriya "...las bocacalles". It's just the grooviest seguy i've ever heard ... so far.

Then you must not have heard Jerónimo Maya's

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 19:38:44

Haydn

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Adam)

Keep the videos coming, fellas! There's so much to be learned from seeing the pros at work.... That first Jerónimo Maya Seguiriya was spell binding: I don't suppose anyone has a transcription they'd be willing to share, pretty please?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 22:14:48

Adam

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From: Hamilton, ON

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Haydn

Keep the videos coming, fellas! There's so much to be learned from seeing the pros at work.... That first Jerónimo Maya Seguiriya was spell binding: I don't suppose anyone has a transcription they'd be willing to share, pretty please?

I'd stick with those soleá falsetas for now

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 22:22:00

orsonw

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From: London

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Adam)

The 'lazy' solea falseta is another classic from Ron. It may be simple but to play with strong compas and aire as good as Ron is not easy.

If you like Jeronimo Maya here he is por solea

(And off topic) Here's the Seguiriyas from Álvaro Rodríguez, the singer that Mezzo mentioned.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 22:47:06

Gummy

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From: North Carolina, USA

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

My favorite one is this... The rasqs and right hand work are like thunder toward the end. Very clear feel and compas in the beginning.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 23:05:12

Richard Ogilby

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Gummy)

This is awesome and reveals where the Amadors got the rasqueados.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2011 23:41:25

kudo

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RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to xirdneH_imiJ)

when I first started flamenco, I started with a Rumba, then Bulerias, then Seguiriya, then all the other palos and now im doing Solea :D

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 5 2011 21:25:54

Richard Jernigan

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From: Austin, Texas USA

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

When I started to study flamenco in 1962 there was a shop in Greenwich Village (New York City) that sold folksong books, guitar strings and the like. They had standard notation sheet music for Sabicas' soleares "Bronce Gitano", from the "Flamenco Puro" LP. I was pretty fluent in standard notation on trumpet and piano, and I could puzzle it out on the guitar by then.

The transcription must have been done by a piano player. I never have checked to be sure, but I assume Sabicas played it pa' arriba with the capo on the second fret, or maybe he tuned down a bit and had the capo higher. At any rate, the transcription, instead of being in E phrygian, was in F# phrygian, the actual pitch on the LP.

I thought flamenco was even harder than it looked.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 5 2011 23:27:33

Don Dionisio

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From: Durham, NC

RE: Studying Soleares (in reply to Haydn)

I'm new to the foro. I really like Dennis Koster's Keys To Flamenco Guitar series, published by Mel Bay. As you may know, he studied with Mario Escudero and Sabicas. While it is 'older' style flamenco, it is full of gems for many palos including
Solea. I think it is valuable stuff.
Regards,
Dennis

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 6 2011 20:44:57