"Oriental" Sounding Flamenco

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Schalli

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From: Mannheim, Germany

"Oriental" Sounding Flamenco

Hello,
I really like that oriental or moorish sounding type of flamenco, not only Zambra as a Palo, i like oriental sounding falsetas in others Palos, too.
Do you have any suggestions? Best case would be a Video/Audio + some TABs...

So far I'm most used to playing Solea and a little bit of Alegrias and Bulerias, but something totally different would also be ok, as long as i will not have to tune my guitar in a special way.
Thanks for every little advice.
Schalli

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Harry

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

At the risk of sounding like a fanboy, (which I am) I recommend Nino Ricardo's Serranas, Soleas and other palos. He plays a lot of oriental sounding stuff. It's one of the reasons why I find his playing sounds so flamenco.

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KMMI77

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

quote:

I really like that oriental or moorish sounding

You may already be aware of this one but just incase you have not heard it here it is. It makes great use of oriental sounds in standard tuning. It's not flamenco but learning it should provide many ideas when the time comes to write your own falsetas within a flamenco palo.

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Schalli

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From: Mannheim, Germany

RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Thanks for the replies so far. I don't know much so far, so thank you very much. What i like is also something like this (Zambra):

or this, when you click on "Stile" and then on "zambra":

http://www.flamenco-letras.de/stile.htm

Do I have to tune my guitar in a different way to play any of those (my ears aren't that good ;-)

Anothers Question: Does anybody know something about Zambra. I don't mean about its origin, but about its structure, typical falsetas, escobilla (if there is one)... etc.
I've got the impression its the palo most difficult to find infos about in the net.
Thanx

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 11:07:29

Richard Jernigan

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

I enjoyed the Juan Martin piece.

The only zambra I have transcribed is one from a Niño Ricardo recording. He tunes D-A-d-f#-b-e'. This facilitates the recurring bass line, D-A-d-A. D-A-d-A...

I have heard almost precisely the same music played by a Moroccan band in an upscale nightclub outside of Tangier, sometime in the late 1970s or 1980s.

My impression (experts correct me if I'm wrong) is that zambra is not a flamenco cante, but an importation of a Moorish dance, played as a guitar solo. I have seen people dance to this music in Morocco, but not as a flamenco piece--but I suppose some flamenco performer has danced it by now.

www.diccionarios.com gives

zambra
nombre femenino
1. (jaleo) racket ,
2. zambra gitana: gypsy party

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 12:53:51

Schalli

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

quote:

The only zambra I have transcribed is one from a Niño Ricardo recording. He tunes D-A-D-f#-b-e'

Does this mean i only have to tune my 1 string (looking from top) the same way as my 3 string? Or do i have to tune it "down"? So how many b's would that be before the d on my electric tuner??
And do i have to change the 4 string to?
Sorry for the silly questions, i'm not that good at these things...

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elgreco

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

This is my favorite:

Have you checked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambra?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 14:46:03

elgreco

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

I also feel that Serrano's Tempestad rumba has eastern elements specially in the intro. Performed here slow enough here so you do not miss it:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 14:53:07

elgreco

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Here Serrano is giving info about playing Zambra:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 15:00:29

Schalli

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Wow, I like the Part 4:30 to 4:55 ca

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 16:28:41

estebanana

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Melchor's "Chinese" falseta por siguiriya.

I think I would characterize Zambra as a kind of funky tangos, but it don't have a cante so it's a North African mutt palo. I think the first ones to bring it into flamenco are modern solo guitarists. Falsetas, anything goes.

I have a notation version of Sakura from a classical guitar book that is in E phrygian, it can be mined for falsetas in solea. If you can move it into that mode just try to form it into compas and will give you ideas.

look for the Melchor falseta at around 1:12 , but it got chopped by editing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 16 2011 20:53:15

Richard Jernigan

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

I should have written the tuning as D-A-d-f#-b-e'.

Tune the sixth (lowest pitch, furthest from the floor) string down one step from E to D. Tune the third string (third one up from the floor) down one half step from g to f#. Now you're set.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 17 2011 2:36:03

Schalli

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Thanks for all the advice so far!
One more question:

Are these Zambra pieces Juan Martin, Juan Serrano, Sabicas etc wrote all in the same key, so i can mix the parts i like most?
Or are there also Zambras in differnt keys, like Buleria in a and a minor?

I'm asking because some seem to only tune down the E (Serrano), while others seem to tune down the G, too (Paco?)

AND: Is there any typical Chord progression?
Thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 17 2011 9:06:19

Schalli

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Does anyone have the Tab of the Juan Martin Video i postet? I'd like to learn the Intro...
Or does anyone know if this piece has got a name?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 17 2011 13:14:37

kozz

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

quote:

Does anyone have the Tab of the Juan Martin Video i postet? I'd like to learn the Intro...
Or does anyone know if this piece has got a name?

You can find pieces in his Solos Flamencos part 2

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Richard Jernigan

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to elgreco)

quote:

ORIGINAL: elgreco
Have you checked http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zambra?

Thanks to elgreco for pointing to the wikipedia entry. It has info I didn't know. The reference cited in the wikipedia article

http://www.esflamenco.com/palos/enzambra.html

is informative as well.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 17 2011 20:49:38

Schalli

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RE: "Oriental" Sounding Fl... (in reply to Schalli)

Does Anyone know the name of That piece??

Or was this a special arrangement for the concert?
Where can i get the Tabs? It has such a cool intro...

And what do you guys think about this? Is this real Zambra dance?

The guitar sounds good to me...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 18 2011 7:51:28