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Marco de Rueil

 

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Verdiales and mineras 

Hi everyone,

I'd like to develop my verdiales as well as my mineras, which are very poor.

Could anyone give me some discographic purpose, videos, or tab stuff ?

Lots of material would be appreciated :)

(already know "en la caleta" (verdiales) and "lamento minero" (minera) de paco)

Thanks a lot

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 26 2011 8:51:15
 
Ricardo

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RE: Verdiales and mineras (in reply to Marco de Rueil

For minera you can go to the source, Ramon Montoya. Also Tomatito has a popular one I have seen many students learn. He shows it in his Encuentro instructional video.

For Verdiales I like Gerado Nuñez "Canaveral". A clear melody that follows the cante form somewhat, with several different techniques that make it a good exercise as well.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 26 2011 14:05:19
 
Marco de Rueil

 

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RE: Verdiales and mineras (in reply to Ricardo

Hi Ricardo

Thanks for your reply

I listened to Gerardo Nunez's Canaveral, and found it not so amazing except some Am stuff, which was pleasant to listen to ...

Already studied this Ramon Montoya's minera a long time ago, and it's still my only material with Paco's lamento minero. Guess the discography isn't so abundant in this domain.

Well I'll have to get my own music out of it, listening to cante could be structuring, I'll try

Do you have the name of the Tomatito's one you mentioned ?

Concerning verdiales, it's hard to find some good and innovative music on the net. There's this video :



I found it rather interesting, even if the guy plays a little like a brute

There's also Maurice Leenaars's one, but it's rather too advanced to get a good ground scaffolding out of it

So I guess it's the same stuff, gotta create some new music almost out of nothing

Thanks though

If somebody else has something to propose me, I'd be glad

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 26 2011 19:41:10
 
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RE: Verdiales and mineras (in reply to Marco de Rueil

here's a great thread I started awhile back about Minera

good luck!

http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=150710&mpage=1&p=&tmode=1&smode=1&key=neotriz,minera
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 26 2011 20:46:55
 
Ricardo

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RE: Verdiales and mineras (in reply to Marco de Rueil

quote:

So I guess it's the same stuff, gotta create some new music almost out of nothing


Imagine that. Well good luck. Shame all you can play is montoya and Paco de lucia's same old stuff, and Nuñez bores you.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 27 2011 0:27:36
 
Marco de Rueil

 

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RE: Verdiales and mineras (in reply to Neotriz

Thanks for your thread Neotriz, especially for Manolo Franco's video, I like it

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 28 2011 17:57:59
 
Marco de Rueil

 

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RE: Verdiales and mineras (in reply to Ricardo

quote:

quote:

So I guess it's the same stuff, gotta create some new music almost out of nothing

Imagine that. Well good luck.


You're right lol

True that Gerardo Nunez bores me at times. Well he's got the purest technique, and plays some amazing things sometimes, but I must say that I saw one of his concerts in Paris a few years ago, and I got totally bored lol was about jazzy flamenco stuff ...

quote:

Shame all you can play is montoya and Paco de lucia's same old stuff


I must say I've constructed most of my playing on Ramon Montoya's pieces, and flamenco from the 60-70's : early Paco (till Almoraima more or less), some Pepe Habichuela and Victor Monge Serranito, among others. Other pieces I've learned, even if they gave me more technique, were of very little inspiration on my playing, since I consider them already as branches (Riqueni's pieces I've learned for instance), and not part of the trunk, basis of flamenco.

Maybe I'm not a scholar anymore, but I don't learn anymore pieces. Just can't lol . I'm just being content with picking some amazing technique, or cool stuff there and there, when I see it (Antonio Rey's muted thumb technique, Jeronimo's contratiempos, and so on )

True now I've only been involved in improvisation for years, that's what I like, fresh, cool music stuff lol

Thanks for your reply

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