*&^(*^*&^^$#@

Costs are rising and times are tough.
Please consider a donation to keep this
place going.

Welcome to one of the most active flamenco sites on the Internet. Guests can read most posts but if you want to participate click here to register.

This site is dedicated to the memory of Paco de Lucía, Ron Mitchell, Guy Williams, Linda Elvira, Philip John Lee, Craig Eros, Ben Woods, David Serva and Tom Blackshear who went ahead of us.

We receive 12,200 visitors a month from 200 countries and 1.7 million page impressions a year. To advertise on this site please contact us.

*&^(*^*&^^$#@

You are logged in as Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >>Discussions >>General >>

Page: [1]

Message

<< Newer Topic Older Topic >>

kozz

Posts: 1766
Joined: Feb. 26 2009
From: Eindhoven NL

*&^(*^*&^^$#@

Didn't know what title to give it...

I see here many people having the abillity to play different palos.
It's something I would like to in the end, but I noticed I have a big favour por siguiriyas.

Tangos, Bulerias, Fandangos are palos that I try to get something in my fingers because its nice to play when people are around, but when on my own its always getting back to Sigiruiyas (Solea and Granaina, but less.)
As I am a couch player, just for my own, I am pretty satisfied with that. But when you are a performer you have to have some palos available to entertain.

Is this recognizable for some of you, to have a favourite palo to play for yourselves?
Would it be strange to focus on just one palo and still feel flamenco?

A big shout out loud to anyone who's capable of playin different palos!!!

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2010 19:52:52

Doitsujin

Posts: 5078
Joined: Apr. 10 2005

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

... if you are not professional..its not important what you play. So..play what you like. If it is just 1 palo.. so be it. Its not strange at all... Many spaniards also only sing fandango and nothing else. And they are in TV.. ^^

If you play for dance..you learn most palos automatically... Theres no way around..so its not a big deal. The palos are just different rhythms with varying chord progressions.. Its not rocket science. It is always only so difficult as you make it yourself. Every plao can be played with easy stuff and...there are also difficult ways to play em.. If you cant...play easy stuff. Most of the traditional stuff is easy and sounds great. You can easily learn a small solo that satisfy yourself with easy old flasetas for each palo. Just grab a Juan Martin book..and you are set with some nice solos.

Im also couch guitarist... I played a lot for dance in past...but now..almost not. I only miss it for rasguado practice.. But thats it. Now I only practice what I like every now and then..

Lets see what the flamenco-police has to say to that.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2010 20:35:52

kozz

Posts: 1766
Joined: Feb. 26 2009
From: Eindhoven NL

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Doitsujin
... if you are not professional..its not important what you play. So..play what you like. If it is just 1 palo.. so be it. Its not strange at all... Many spaniards also only sing fandango and nothing else. And they are in TV.. ^^

If you play for dance..you learn most palos automatically... Theres no way around..so its not a big deal. The palos are just different rhythms with varying chord progressions.. Its not rocket science. It is always only so difficult as you make it yourself. Every plao can be played with easy stuff and...there are also difficult ways to play em.. If you cant...play easy stuff. Most of the traditional stuff is easy and sounds great. You can easily learn a small solo that satisfy yourself with easy old flasetas for each palo. Just grab a Juan Martin book..and you are set with some nice solos.

Im also couch guitarist... I played a lot for dance in past...but now..almost not. I only miss it for rasguado practice.. But thats it. Now I only practice what I like every now and then..

Lets see what the flamenco-police has to say to that.

LOL!
Nice approach Doit!
Although I'd rather grab Norman's falsetta collections and combine it with compas strums rather than Juan Martin

So you changed also due to change in setting, what are your naturally favourites now?
Maybe I a wrong but to me it seems people have a natural tendacy towards a certain palo (mood) if it isn't for entertainment.

BTW are you going to the flamenco bienale in the Netherlands?

I am afraid of the police already

...."What!!!!!? You should be able to play everything

"

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2010 21:10:09

Fabricio_Gomez

Posts: 7
Joined: Nov. 30 2010

[Deleted]

Post has been moved to the Recycle Bin at Jan. 1 2011 11:59:11

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2010 21:17:12

Ramon Amira

Posts: 1025
Joined: Oct. 14 2009
From: New York City

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

WHAT!!!!!? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY EVERYTHING!!!

Just kidding. No stinkin' badges here.

Seriously though, if you're not a professional, why not just play what you enjoy. Just so long as you don't get bored with the same one or two palos all the time. I would suggest that if you want to limit it to that, then A) learn and/or create many new falsetas within the palo, and as a corollary, B) try not to play set pieces, which will sooner or later bore you to death.

By avoiding set pieces, and by playing falsetas at random, it will always be fresh and interesting, as you will never play it the same way twice.

Ramon

_____________________________

Classical and flamenco guitars from Spain Ramon Amira Guitars

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2010 21:56:46

Neotriz

Posts: 143
Joined: Aug. 9 2010

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

Just play what you want to play

But instead of being on the coach, go out and play with others! At least me, it motivates me to learn other palos, as well as techniques

Don't limit yourself, there are alot things can be learned from flamenco, but at the same time, play what you want to play. Key word: challenge yourself

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 29 2010 23:39:39

Anders Eliasson

Posts: 5780
Joined: Oct. 18 2006

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

Lets see what the flamenco-police has to say to that.

The flamenco police say that germans should NOT be sitting in a couch when playing flamenco. """""" ungeheur slecht.

I have moments where I like one palo and others where I like other palos. Siguiriyas are often my favorite. But right now its not what turns me on. Solea is always good. Bulerias... most of the time. I have my ups and downs with Tangos and alegrias and I´ve just had a columbianas period. I guess its just like life itself.

_____________________________

Blog: http://news-from-the-workshop.blogspot.com/

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 8:46:50

Ricardo

Posts: 14833
Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

Its fine, so long as the palo is not something like peteneras.

As guitarists get more involved playing with others in flamenco, accompanying or juerga, for baile etc, it is natural to end up with lots and lots of bulerias to work on, or at least gravitating towards that palo vs others. The rhythm is the thing about it and vast majority of guitarists seem to get flack for spending too much time on bulerias. But it is ok too. Diego del Gastor was no exception. Guitarists from jerez it should be obvious but they still get flack for having more then 2 buleria on a recording.

Pepe Martinez said in Rito y Geografia that solea siguiriya and buleria are our "daily bread" in flamenco, yet the art form has so much more to offer. He played a lot of ida y vuelta stuff. I would see a problem with someone focusing too much on the lighter weight fringe stuff, but for the daily bread stuff it is perfectly ok.

Ricardo

_____________________________

CD's and transcriptions available here:
www.ricardomarlow.com

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 8:47:48

Doitsujin

Posts: 5078
Joined: Apr. 10 2005

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

quote:

The flamenco police say that germans should NOT be sitting in a couch when playing flamenco. """""" ungeheur slecht.

haha.. yes I agree... bad position... I also get backpain from guitarplaying when sitting in a couch.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 9:00:58

Arash

Posts: 4495
Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

sorry but very bad adviced here imo.

some of them too relaxed.

as if a mama is talking to her son: you can do whatever you want my son, i will always love you.

you can play on your couch and have a favourite palo, but you should learn all important palos.

also those free palos.

enjoyment of all of them comes later (if not already). guarantied.

your taste will change from one palo to another (the more you spend time with the palo) and finally will include many of them, if not all of them.

you could skip Zorongo, but learn the rest man.

you are young and motivated, but maybe just too lazy.

learning and practicing is not always enjoyable. sometimes its just boring work.

don't waiste the time and energy which you already used until now for flamenco, by excluding some important palos, just because your favourite actual palo is something else.

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 9:41:12

kozz

Posts: 1766
Joined: Feb. 26 2009
From: Eindhoven NL

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

Thanks guys for all the replies!

Its good to see people are likewise, and that environment encourages to put more energy in one than another.
Maybe its good to get outside again and find some people to play along with.

Ofcourse its not my intention to neglect the other palos, but its just to easy to fall back on something that's familiar.
I might be a bit lazy yes

....we need more sun overhere!

Hahaha, couch-playing was not that literally...still can't sit on the couch because my immedialty let me know to sit straight.
I use a pussy-footstool now while sitting on a cajon...it feels better than the "hide-your-balls" position

_____________________________

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 10:32:10

Doitsujin

Posts: 5078
Joined: Apr. 10 2005

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

quote:

BTW are you going to the flamenco bienale in the Netherlands?

I was thinking about going to a show.. But I think I wont go.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 11:17:38

XXX

Posts: 4400
Joined: Apr. 14 2005

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to kozz)

Im no pro or anything, but i could live with only buleria and solea. And one "free palo", doesnt matter wich one. The most amazing compositions for me have been written in those palos, not fandangos, seguiriyas, or whatever. But your official statement should always be that you love all palos as long as there is cante and you hate solo guitar.

_____________________________

Фламенко

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 14:51:06

mezzo

Posts: 1409
Joined: Feb. 18 2010
From: .fr

RE: *&^(*^*&^^$#@ (in reply to XXX)

quote:

But your official statement should always be that you love all palos as long as there is cante and you hate solo guitar.

cante JONDO Deniz, add the jondo plz...i'm glad you're beginning to understand

_____________________________

"The most important part of Flamenco is not in knowing how to interpret it. The higher art is in knowing how to listen." (Luis Agujetas)

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 30 2010 15:52:31