Three finger 5 beat rasgueado

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Kirk

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Joined: Jan. 25 2009

Three finger 5 beat rasgueado

Long time lurker here, and I finally have a question I couldn't find an answer to using the search function.

It seems that three fingers is probably the more "modern" rasgueado approach. I learned four finger rasgueados and am trying to expand my vocabulary. There are clearly many ways to do a four beat rasgueado with three fingers, and I have figured out a couple variations for a single five beat - i up a down m down i down i up feels most natural to me.

But, I cannot figure out how to string multiple five beats together? How do you do it?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2010 20:26:34

Chiste de Gales

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RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to Kirk)

Actually, four-beat rasqueado isnt used nearly as much as 3 and 5.

It suggest learning the quintuplet as follows:

e↑ a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2010 20:33:34

Kirk

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RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to Kirk)

Right. That is how I have always done it as a four finger rasgueado, and it rolls nicely into a second or third five-beat repeat.

Can you do multiple five-beat rasgueados with three fingers?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2010 21:32:05

Gummy

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From: North Carolina, USA

RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to Kirk)

A long time ago Romerito made a cool video on this or something really similar. I think the vid is deleted but here was the thread:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=66420&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=bogdan&tmode=&smode=&s=#66535
I saved it on my HD but don't want to upload something of someone else especially after they deleted it.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 22 2010 23:21:54

marduk

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RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to Kirk)

one variation i came across in something (i cant remember what i was learning at the time) was to do i down i up then a down m down and i down

i cant be sure its good advice though, im a beginner, but it feels "right"

this one was putting a golpe on the first beat. sorry i cant remembmyer what i was practicing when i learned this, i think its in one of the books i have

quote:

e↑ a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓

im practicing that one in sevillanas and tangos, im finally getting better at doing it twice next to each other to make 10 beats

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2010 2:45:17

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2010 4:19:37

mark indigo

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RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to Kirk)

quote:

I have figured out a couple variations for a single five beat - i up a down m down i down i up feels most natural to me.

But, I cannot figure out how to string multiple five beats together? How do you do it?

first, what do you mean by "beat"?? a five beat rasgeo, is that one that goes on for 5 beats of music or one that has five finger strokes (eg. xamii)?

if you mean 5 finger strokes per beat of music, you can just use the 4 finger xamii one for that.... you don't have to ditch the "old" version and exclusively adopt the "new" one, you add in the new and keep the old as well, that's my understanding of so-called "modern" flamenco anyway, it's not instead of so-called "old" flamenco, it's as well as!

if you really want to do 5 finger strokes per beat with 3 fingers you could do:

1 2 3 &
amiia miiam i i

where each pair of i strokes are down then up, use this for solea, repeat for beats 4, 5, 6 etc.

or you could do something like

1 2 3 4
amiia miiam iiami iamii

then you are back to the start of the pattern again

even if you don't actually use it like this (if i want to play 5 per beat i just use xamii) it's probably not a bad exercise to practise these

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2010 9:38:26

Chiste de Gales

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Joined: Jan. 13 2009

RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to marduk)

quote:

ORIGINAL: marduk

one variation i came across in something (i cant remember what i was learning at the time) was to do i down i up then a down m down and i down

i cant be sure its good advice though, im a beginner, but it feels "right"

this one was putting a golpe on the first beat. sorry i cant remembmyer what i was practicing when i learned this, i think its in one of the books i have

quote:

e↑ a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓
im practicing that one in sevillanas and tangos, im finally getting better at doing it twice next to each other to make 10 beats

Another good exercise for this is to play it twice, but make it 3 triplets with a downbeat at the end. I do this when I play Garrotin.

This:
(e↑ a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓) (e↑ a↑ m↑ i↑ i↓)

Turns into this:
(e↑ a↑ m↑) (i↑ i↓ e↑) (a↑ m↑ i↑) i↓

Its a great way to get different fingers used to playing strong beats

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2010 11:56:09

Gummy

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Joined: Nov. 27 2005
From: North Carolina, USA

RE: Three finger 5 beat rasgueado (in reply to Guest)

Okay

I appreciate your videos. I saved them for when I could actually use them...
Here it is:
http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=152987&appid=&p=&mpage=1&key=&tmode=&smode=&s=#152987

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2010 13:27:35

Kirk

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RE: Three finger 5 stroke rasgueado (in reply to Kirk)

I meant 5-stroke. Thank you for clarifying my terminology, Mark.

Thanks to everyone for your replies. There are lots of ideas in there to expand my rasgueado vocabulary.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 23 2010 16:37:29