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antonio

 

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guitar 

Anyone tried one of this?
Flamenco Guitar Ricardo Sanchis Carpio 2F
Is it a good guitar for a beguinner?

Flamenco Guitar Ricardo Sanchis Carpio 2F
Hermanos Sanchis Lopez Flamenco Guitar Model 2F
Top: German Spruce
Back / Sides: Cypress
Neck: Honduran Cedar
Fingerboard: Ebony
Scale Length: 660mm
Width at nut: 53mm
It is said to be "A great guitar with a great Flamenco sound "
Comments?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 12 2005 13:44:48
 
antonio

 

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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

Perhaps I should put the question like this: between 800€ - 1000€ what would you advise?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 12 2005 17:41:57
 
TANúñez

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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

The Sanchis Lopez 2F is a good guitar not only for the beginner but for someone wanting a good 'workhorse' guitar. I've sold a few of these lately. Not a bad guitar for the price.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 12 2005 17:53:02
 
Flamingo

 

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RE: guitar (in reply to TANúñez

Hi Tom,

Is it correct that 2a class guitar is built as 1a spec, but with less "pretty" wood?

Flamingo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 12 2005 19:40:18
 
TANúñez

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RE: guitar (in reply to Flamingo

quote:

Is it correct that 2a class guitar is built as 1a spec, but with less "pretty" wood?


Hi Flamenco. Not always. It may be built with the same specs or it may not. Typical differences would be wood, tuners, rosette and in some cases bracing patterns.

Sometimes 2a's are made by someone else. It really depends on who the 2a's are from.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 12 2005 20:27:12
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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

Yes that Sanchis is good, and surprisingly up to concert standards as far as flamenco goes. The only thing is the neck is a little skinny for my taste. I prefer a wider fingerboard, but the playability is good. That is a minor detail. But the sound and look are there, I would say that guitar is underpriced. But it is a "factory" guitar after all.

Ricardo
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 13 2005 7:30:49
 
Jon Boyes

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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

quote:

ORIGINAL: antonio
Anyone tried one of this?
Flamenco Guitar Ricardo Sanchis Carpio 2F
Is it a good guitar for a beguinner?


I have a Ricardio Sanchis Carpio 2AF - no idea what the difference is between the 2F and the 2AF though, although the spec on mine is the same as you quote above. (Tom - any ideas about that?)

I tried dozens of guitars in the UK in the intermediate price bracket (say £400-£800) and it compared well to guitars more expensive. It plays even better now I've had it set up and restrung it with brighter strings (it came with black trebles).

Yes, its a great quality guitar for a beginner.

Jon
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 13 2005 8:06:26
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Flamingo
quote:

Is it correct that 2a class guitar is built as 1a spec, but with less "pretty" wood?

Flamingo


Just want to add a few things.

If you are building two (or more) models, you dont want them to be to close to each other. Then people will only buy the cheap one. This is just like with anything else. Volkswagen also make a difference between their car models. Wood and hardware is one thing, but you will normally build in a sound difference as well.
I build 2 models. Besides using different wood and hardware, the cheaper will have less hanky panky, like easyer (still handmade) rosette and less purfling, but I also work the guitars in different ways.
On the cheapest, I use a very traditional way of shaping the braces. giving a traditional, not to hard-to-play guitar. On my Selecta model, I work the braces in another way, making a stiffer, yet lighter bracing, and the guitar is a bit louder, has more volume, and is brighter.
What do I prefer myself? I like both. When I'm on, hot and ready, I like the Selecta, because It sounds better and is more inspiring, but after a long day of work, when I'm a bit tired, I prefer the traditional model, because I relax more, and because the Selecta is a bit unforgiving when you do not have the extra power to play it.

Thats it for now.

Nice playing
Anders
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 13 2005 8:08:43
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

That's great information, Anders. From a guitarist's point of view (who once built a guitar :)) I really enjoy hearing about how you luthiers work.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 13 2005 16:32:53
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Miguel, where's the guitar you once builded, and how did it turn out?

Anders
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 13 2005 20:00:40
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

It's in the shop. It didn't turn out very well. Not only was it my first guitar, it was also my first wood-working project, period. One thing not everyone knows is, the sheer Number of skills you have to acquire to make a guitar. It's kind of like playing a guitar, you have to actually learn a vast variety of different skills.

Planing, cutting, measuring, sanding, gluing, chiseling, carving, drilling... on and on and on. I used almost all hand tools, except for a power drill and a jigsaw for rough cuts. So I cut almost everything with a straight saw, carved the bridge myself (that actually worked pretty well), measured and cut the frets with a fine saw, used a jig to measure the tuning machien holes... oh I did use a small router to cut out the area for the rosette. I had a great Lie-Niesen 9.5 degree plane that was my favorite tool. Oh, and sharpening, I had to learn how to sharpen "on the job".

It was a very difficult project, although it only took me a month or two. I used guitarmaking by Cumpiano for my text.

Looking at the result, you can see all the problems. I had such a horrible time bending the sides, so the gutiar is actually not symmetrical. I didn't have enough clamps so I'm sure it wasn't glued very well. When I finally strung it up, it didn't sound, it just made a kind of thumping sound. My solution was to shave the fretboard a little toward the soundhole, but at the point I kind of just gave up and started a new guitar. I should have finished it up so at least I could play it, but I kind of lost the taste for the whole thing.

I love guitars, but I really don't have the patience of a true craftsman. I'll stick to playing froom now on...

I'm sure I would have done much better with some personal guidance. But I don't think I have the personal qualities of a craftsman.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 13 2005 20:11:25
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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

Miguel,

At least you did it. Thats something very valuable.

A friend of mine once called me, saying that his newest guitar did not sound at all. I went there, and we discovered that he had forgotten to remove the clamping caul you use for the bridge from inside the box . So when it was removed, the guitar was just fine.

Are you sure you didn't forget something in there?

Anders
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jan. 14 2005 7:36:20
 
antonio

 

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RE: guitar (in reply to antonio

Hello,
Thank you everybody for your comments.
I will post later about the guitar.
Antonio
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