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Stu

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cortes in some hot soup!

sorry if this has been posted B4, thought some may find it interesting.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7102260.ece

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estebanana

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Stu)

See what happens when you get famous for dancing Farruca with your shirt off?

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Ricardo

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Stu)

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This is not the first time that Cortés has found himself in court. In 2008 he faced a paternity suit brought by his former assistant Katie Assumu who claims that he fathered a child by her.

Why does a flamenco dancer need an assistant??

I dont' mean it to sound racist, but like the story of Jimmy Rosenberg, these "investors" need to understand a little about gypsies and they way the are, especially the artist high roller types, before they hand over these giant checks.

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Pimientito

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Ricardo)

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Why does a flamenco dancer need an assistant??

I dont' mean it to sound racist, but like the story of Jimmy Rosenberg, these "investors" need to understand a little about gypsies and they way the are, especially the artist high roller types, before they hand over these giant checks.

700,000 Euros man....someone actually gave him 700,000

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Arash

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Stu)

yeah, instead of cortes, the investor should go to jail, for stupidity

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XXX

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Stu)

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The judge was not impressed by Cortés’ explanations in court.

I laughed so hard at this line

Well a good guy told me once half jokingly flamencos would be a bunch of either drug consumers, terrorists or criminals. I was a bit shocked by these prejudices but i think he wasnt too far off.

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minordjango

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Stu)

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Jimmy Rosenberg aka rosenberg trio ?
sound interesting, i remember seeing a video of them and they are driving around in an expensive car, not exactly the camp fire scene!.

so there is money in gypsy jazz and flamenco after all

interesting stories

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 2:39:06

Stu

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to XXX)

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a one year suspenbed jail term

This just means he's on probation for a year.......he rinsed 700k of someone elses money and all he has to do is behave for a year!!

....but by the sounds of it he may not be able to do that....hahaa

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flybynight

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to XXX)

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Well a good guy told me once half jokingly flamencos would be a bunch of either drug consumers, terrorists or criminals

I suspect most politicians, judges and police, who were involved in this case fall into one or more of those categories. Only difference is that Gitanos don't wear suits.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 28 2010 2:48:01

Arash

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to XXX)

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ORIGINAL: Deniz

Well a good guy told me once half jokingly flamencos would be a bunch of either drug consumers, terrorists or criminals. I was a bit shocked by these prejudices but i think he wasnt too far off.

who was this good guy?
a guitar collector who never plays the guitars himself and who wrote one of those mathematical politically correct formulas to explain to gypsies what compas is? and who probably never had a girlfriend?

just because a famous dancer didn't know what to do with such a great euro "gift" from a stupid investor, doesn't mean that every flamenco is a criminal, terrorist or drug consumer (ok, about drugs , i am not so sure lol, but thats no problem as long as you don't harm anybody else..... and its for sure better than those cocain consumers with tie and suit).

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XXX

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Arash)

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ORIGINAL: Arash
who was this good guy?

Pro jazz player, who is half spanish by origin and has studied a bit flamenco in northern Spain i think. Not really good at flamenco but he did hang around with many flamencos and other musicians often enough to make me trust his word. Nowadays. Back then i thought he is crazy.

quote:

ok, about drugs , i am not so sure lol, but thats no problem

Well he didnt say its a problem.

So he was right i guess?
Btw this was before this Cortes incident.

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Ricardo

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to minordjango)

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ORIGINAL: minordjango

quote:

Jimmy Rosenberg aka rosenberg trio ?
sound interesting, i remember seeing a video of them and they are driving around in an expensive car, not exactly the camp fire scene!.

so there is money in gypsy jazz and flamenco after all

interesting stories

You maybe thinking of Stochelo who is the head of "Rosenberg Trio". There is another gypsy kid of same last name, same area in France and style of music, whom I consider IMHO, the best of the style.... but man all those gypsies are great at this stuff. Just this kid was a cut above the rest.

I just noticed the caption of the video says "a project in need of investors!!

Ricardo

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kozz

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to minordjango)

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so there is money in gypsy jazz and flamenco after all

MD sure is...
Watch this...its about Jimmy Rosenberg etc...its subtitled (because even we find it hard to understand our languange nowadays :)

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Estevan

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to flybynight)

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Gitanos don't wear suits.

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Pimientito

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to flybynight)

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Gitanos don't wear suits.

WTF...have you even seen a gypsy?

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minordjango

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Stu)

oh cheers guy , i went blank for a while , i know jimmy rosenberg , i have a few albums there is a track with Romane , and Jimmy is flying , his a young lad and its been documented he really was struggling with drink , and drugs , he has a guitar with dedicated to him.

he swings thats for sure

gitanos and suits , you can get kitted out in a suit for a fiver at a second hand shop if you want !!, many gitanos like the look, its just old world aint it ? we do it in Greece!.

gitano life is really interesting i guess we all know that thats why we are

but the 700,000 haha Cortes really scored there, ill go to prison for a year for 70,000 euro

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NormanKliman

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Pimientito)

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quote:

quote:

Gitanos don't wear suits.

WTF...have you even seen a gypsy?

I was going to say that there are gypsies who wear suits more often and more stylishly than most people.

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I dont' mean it to sound racist...

I for one didn't take it that way. It reminds me of a story about Diego El Cigala getting in trouble a few years ago. If I remember right, and if what I read was all true, he was apparently not having a good day when he boarded a plane and sat down in the wrong seat. The flight attendant told him that he had to sit at the back of the plane, where his seat was. The word she used was "cola," which means tail, and his response was something like, "Yeah, I'm going to give it to you in the tail!" She called the cops and he was thrown off the plane! Of course, what we'll never know is exactly how she spoke to him in the first place.

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...before they hand over these giant checks.

Most of you have probably heard those stories about, back in the old days, some of the señoritos would sometimes hand over all the artists' payment to a single person long before the end of the night (at parties where an artist might receive the equivalent of a month's pay for unskilled labor), and then sit back and have fun watching the reactions (the rest would keep their eyes on the guy with the money). A similar prank involved handing the night's earnings over to one person but intentionally short-changing one particular artist. Just imagine the "fun" when that artist would receive payment from the other guy, who of course wasn't in on the joke. After the initial reaction, which might not go too well, the short-changed artist would have to pluck up the courage to go to the señorito to see what had happened.

The word for this is "guasa."

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Ricardo

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to NormanKliman)

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A similar prank involved handing the night's earnings over to one person but intentionally short-changing one particular artist. Just imaging the "fun" when that artist would receive payment from the other guy, who of course wasn't in on the joke. After the initial reaction, which might not go too well, the short-changed artist would have to pluck up the courage to go to the señorito to see what had happened.

Some artists from Madrid were brought here (USA) to sing for La Tati. It is customary to pay our visiting artists a per diem in advance so they have some spending cash. One of the gitanos was paid in Hundred dollar bills I guess cuz he asked me to take him to the store to get cigarettes and wanted help cuz he could not read, and wanted to make sure he was not getting ripped off. He paid for a single pack with a hundred dollar bill and made me count the change for him to make sure he was not being cheated. I could only imagine how many times this guy has been dooped or had jokes played on him cuz he really did not know.

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Pimientito

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to NormanKliman)

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If I remember right, and if what I read was all true, he was apparently not having a good day when he boarded a plane and sat down in the wrong seat. The flight attendant told him that he had to sit at the back of the plane, where his seat was. The word she used was "cola," which means tail, and his response was something like, "Yeah, I'm going to give it to you in the tail!"

Oh Man I remember reading that in the paper. It made the front page and caused severe embaressment for the airline Iberia. Cigala had a concert in Mallorca and it was completely sold out...like hundreds of tickets. It was in the bullring or some big venue. The management had bought him a first class ticket with Iberia so when he boarded the plane he sat in first class. The attendant told him to move to the back of the plane and he argued with her because he did actually have a first class ticket. The attendant became angry, insisted that he move out of first class and then (alledgedly) said something about gypsies not being allowed there ...he refused to move, and then she called the cops and threw him off the flight.

It caused a major scandal...the concert had to be cancelled and Cigala sucessfully sued Iberia for racial discrimination...plus he made a claim fro the thousands of Euros in lost income. The attendant lost her job...big mess!!

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Ron.M

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Ricardo)

I don't know if anyone here is old enough to remember the old British "pounds,shillings and pence" system.

Basically

£1= 20 shillings

1 shilling=12 pence

1 Florin= 2 shillings

1 Half Crown = 2 shillings + 6 pence

There were smaller coins of value 6 pence, 3 pence, 1 penny, 1/2 penny and 1/4 penny.

And there was a note worth 10 shillings

So prices would be like....£2- 10s- 11d etc

Sometimes things would be priced in "Guineas" = £1 + 1 shilling...so that

3 Guineas would = £3 + 3 shillings

Also sometimes prices would just be in shillings like..

33/6 = £1 13 shillings and 6 pence

God knows how we managed such a system, but we did without any difficulty.
Even 7 year old kids coped with it no bother...

When visiting Americans or Canadians (or Aussies) came over to visit relatives they would be faced with the shopkeeper saying things like..

"That will be One pound, three and tuppence-ha-penny please"

They just used to pull out a bunch of notes and coins and hold it all in cupped hands, saying "Just take it from this lot Mac ..."

Christ, after being used to the logical Dollar/Decimal system they must have thought they were in some sort of crazy alternative Universe or something.

cheers,

Ron

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NormanKliman

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Ricardo)

Mark, thanks for setting the story straight! I think something similar happened to Canales in the US around that time or shortly afterward.

Ron, sounds like the classroom scene in The Meaning of Life with the system of bells and coathooks, depending on the day of the week. Is there really a tendency to overcomplicate things in the UK?

Ricardo, you made a friend there, eh? Not without some patience on your part, I imagine.

Okay, another story, only I can't say that this happened to me:

When Rafael Romero "El Gallina" was doing military service in Madrid his job was to drive a truck around the city picking up supplies. There obviously wasn't much traffic back then, but even so, at every intersection he would stop the truck, get out and look in both directions before going on. That kills me!

The story comes from Gamboa's biography of Perico del Lunar and, as long as we're on the subject of mistrust, here's another one that I noticed:

Perico (padre) ended up working in the kitchen during his military service. That was a pretty smart move, given the hunger that the rest of Spain was having to deal with. Apparently he took every opportunity to test the food before it was served, and when his superiors said that he was testing too much, Perico responded, "Señores, and what if it's poisoned?"

Food for thought!

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Pimientito

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Ron.M)

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1 Half Crown = 2 shillings + 6 pence

I still dont understand this system. If a shilling is 5 pence then why isnt a half crown 3 shillings and a penny? I agree that the old money system was designed to confuse foreigners. My father in Law still keeps talking prices in shillings.

I think that over the years this problem was best explained by Tom Lehrer. Watch this clip...its brilliant!

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Pimientito

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Pimientito)

I just reread your post...I thought a shilling was 5 pence because i remember being able to spend old shillings like 5 pence pieces as a child. If an old shilling is 12 pence why then did they become used as 5 pence pieces after decimalisation?

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Ron.M

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Pimientito)

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I thought a shilling was 5 pence because i remember being able to spend old shillings like 5 pence pieces as a child. If an old shilling is 12 pence why then did they become used as 5 pence pieces after decimalisation?

Ah! Pim...thats because 1 NEW Pence = 2.4 OLD Pence.

The prefix NEW got dropped after a couple of years.

Jeez...to think..a lot of old folk complained that the change to the decimal system was over-complicating things for them!

The basic problem was that the whole British system had evolved from "dozens" and other strange sub-multiples, so that 12 times 12 was a Gross...and it was quite normal for ..say a Fruiterer to buy a Gross of apples or oranges (144) in the 50/60's

These strange mutiples have still been passed on to and are retained by the New World like, 12 inches to the foot and three feet to the yard...and 1760 yards to the mile.

Ask the Americans/Canadians to change to the more logical Kilometers and Litres from Miles and Gallons...and you'll have a fight on your hands!

So they haven't totally escaped it, although the Continental Europeans must think they are crazy!

I still think in pounds (lbs) and pints and gallons. Can't help it!

cheers,

Ron

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Estevan

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Ron.M)

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Ask the Canadians to change to the more logical Kilometers and Litres from Miles and Gallons...

...and they'll look at you strangely. It was done years ago.

(Of course a lot of us still 'translate' into the less 'logical' and more poetical measures...)

P.S. Yes, Ron I do remember the L.s.d. system of currency, although I'd forgotten about florins. And in the distance measurements you left out furlongs!

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Ron.M

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Estevan)

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you left out furlongs!

And "chains" (= 22 yards) and 8 furlongs to the mile, which is still used in today's horse racing.

I must admit, in my youth I never ever heard anyone refer to a "chain".

Strangely enough, I've never ever heard anyone here refer to a "quart" of liquid...yet I believe it was used in the United States.

Everybody here just said 2 pints.

(Geez...we used to spend time having to learn all this crap at school as young kids, while the Americans were devising ways of sending a manned spacecraft into orbit and the Japanese were busy working on reinventing the motorcycle!)

OK...NOW the BIG question....

Why do the British drive on the "proper" side of the road and practically everybody else got it screwed up?

cheers,

Ron

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Ron.M

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Estevan)

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P.S. Yes, Ron I do remember the L.s.d. system of currency,

OK Estevan...

Typical primay school exercises from the mid 50's...

1.

ADD

£2 19s 3 3/4 d +
£1 14s 6 1/2d +
£1 17s 11
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2.

If a fruit merchant buys a gross of apples for £1 18s and 4 dozen oranges for 14/6 and sells 2 apples plus 1 orange for ninepence....

How much profit does the merchant make?
And how many apples or oranges does he have left which he must sell individually?

3.

If it takes 3 men 3/4 of an hour to dig a hole 3 yards X 2 yards X 48 inches deep..

How long would it take 2 men to walk a fortnight?

cheers,

Ron

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Escribano

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RE: cortes in some hot soup! (in reply to Ron.M)

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I don't know if anyone here is old enough to remember the old British "pounds,shillings and pence" system.

Sure, but when it ended I was only getting half a crown (2/6d) pocket money - and my Dad's 10 No.6 were 1/6d. I got on the bus one day and it had all changed - I was so excited.

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