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gj Michelob

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Advice needed, how to polish perform... 

While recording my composition for the challenge I realized that (in addition and separately from any other problem I may have) my performance is never fully “clean”.
Whether a two or six minute long score, there always seems to be at least one glitch compromising the cleanliness of sound and performance. Typically it will be the hideous buzz from a poorly pressed note, or instances of exaggerated friction noise from shifting position, when not a combination of the two.

How or what would you recommend one should practice in order to polish one’s performance curbing these glitches?

Thank you for any advice you will take time to share.

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Arash

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RE: Advice needed, how to polish per... (in reply to gj Michelob

i have heard these "glitches" basically from everybody, including all the maestros (even on some pro. CDs from Paco if i remember correctly, there are some of these not perfectly played notes, not to speak of concerts, where there is lot of these "dirty" small parts).

nothing to worry about imo, if you don't have these glitches or dirty notes every 2 seconds in your recording and just one, two or 3 of them in the whole piece.

no need for the absolute perfection, even in a recording for a CD, imo.

but of course you could try to do other takes and if you are lucky, there would be absolutely no glitch.

i don't think that there is a special exersise to eliminate such things.

i would say if you practice and play your piece more often and again and again, then you reduce the chance for such unclean parts, but not even the top pros. can guaranty that they would never play an unclean note or something.

relax gj, what you want is really not necessary and not always possible

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gj Michelob

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RE: Advice needed, how to polish per... (in reply to Arash

quote:

i have heard these "glitches" basically from everybody, including all the maestros (even on some pro. CDs from Paco if i remember correctly, there are some of these not perfectly played notes, not to speak of concerts, where there is lot of these "dirty" small parts).

nothing to worry about imo, if you don't have these glitches or dirty notes every 2 seconds in your recording and just one, two or 3 of them in the whole piece.

no need for the absolute perfection, even in a recording for a CD, imo.

but of course you could try to do other takes and if you are lucky, there would be absolutely no glitch.

i don't think that there is a special exersise to eliminate such things.

i would say if you practice and play your piece more often and again and again, then you reduce the chance for such unclean parts, but not even the top pros. can guaranty that they would never play an unclean note or something.

relax gj, what you want is really not necessary and not always possible


Yes perhaps I am overly concerned. I practiced that composition ad-nauseam, obviously I would execute it perfectly until the mic is on... then the glitch or glitches would surface.

It seems that practicing at a slower tempo reinforces a more precise performance, yet I am not sure it is the answer to this problem. As you write, maybe there is no answer to it.

Thank you for your lengthy and comforting reply, Arash.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2010 6:48:36
 
XXX

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RE: Advice needed, how to polish per... (in reply to gj Michelob

This is just my limited experience, but i think glitches, buzzing notes come from 2 things: Either you werent concentrated enough (easy solution: do another take), or dont have the technique yet (ie chord change, barre, hammer on, whatever-lefthand technique it is). Given the many possibilities to make a mistake i cant really think of only one exercise that would help with all kinds of mistakes. Each lefthand situation must be studied separately imo. But as a general rule i think one is safe when trying to play as relaxed as possible as this gives more flexibility and in the long run, even if it sounds contradictory, more strength. And really take your time to get used to a certain lefthand position! Soon you will be doing with no tension without even noticing.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2010 6:55:03
 
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RE: Advice needed, how to polish per... (in reply to gj Michelob

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It seems that practicing at a slower tempo reinforces a more precise performance, yet I am not sure it is the answer to this problem. As you write, maybe there is no answer to it.


You hit the head on the nail there, practice things slowly and with precision is the way to go when you rush it(when not ready for it)one tends to boom notes or play unclean as you alreday know, these mistakes then gets "programed" in to your fingers muscle memory and the little guys can't help it when they mess up =)

Good luck with the contest!
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gj Michelob

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RE: Advice needed, how to polish per... (in reply to XXX

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Deniz wrote: play as relaxed as possible as this gives more flexibility and in the long run, even if it sounds contradictory, more strength. And really take your time to get used to a certain lefthand position! Soon you will be doing with no tension without even noticing.


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Phrygian wrote: practice things slowly and with precision is the way to go when you rush it(when not ready for it)one tends to boom notes or play unclean as you alreday know, these mistakes then gets "programed" in to your fingers muscle memory and the little guys can't help it when they mess up =) .


Thank you, both are very helpful reminders.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Apr. 22 2010 7:22:04
 
michel

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RE: Advice needed, how to polish per... (in reply to gj Michelob

gj

this reminds me a bit of my thread about working correctly with instructional books and written music in general. you are analysing the problem in the context of a performance, a context where you try to simply do "the best", i agree with arash (can or should the flamenco guitar be played "perfectly"?) and also with deniz, especially his statement about left hand positions. if you allow me to speak about my own conclusions on this subject: every time i don't play cleanly something and i focus a bit more on the "why" i notice a technical problem, something i simply didn't care of enough, conclusion: let's admit, flamenco guitar is a difficult discipline and i also think there is no exercice to polish the playing. the quality of playing is the amount of 10'000 exercices we already did and will do, maybe we all have those days asking ourselves: still not enough practice, after all these years? grrrr. so i'd like to end with quoting one of my appreciated teachers who told me"imagine flamenco guitar would be as easy as car driving and every dunce would annoy you with his high speed buleria, i'm sure you wouldn't play anymore" flamenco guitar is a stony, rampant and difficult way of self-expression
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