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Arash
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 RE: composing duende feeling flamenc... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)
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i think the best (if not the one and only) way to be able to compose good stuff for flamenco is:
listen, listen, listen and play, play, play flamenco stuff for years.
to really get the concept and structure and know what to do.
first step (IMO) is not to compose completely new and unique stuff (falsetas, etc.) but to alterate the exisiting falsetas and ideas slightly. and then see if they sound good and ok. if not, then you again have to listen listen listen, play play play stuff from others ...... 
sorry, but there is no fast and easy way for it.
(and of course, you must be inspired to compose. composing is not like practicing technique imo , you can't do that whenever you want)
another thing is that you have to have the technical abilities in order to be able to play what exactly is in your mind, otherwise you are limited and you have to change whats in your mind, to be able to play it and thats not so satisfying
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Date Apr. 19 2010 3:16:50
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RE: composing duende feeling flamenc... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)
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LoL
this is like asking... "hey guys, i tried to invent nuclear fusion, but it didnt work. what do i need to do again??"
First of all, do you need to compose at all? Do you have a deadline, a show? If not you can just wait until the idea comes to YOU.
Until that happens, i think one has to have developed a good ear, good memory, by listening. Regarding compas, have played some falsetas and internalized the compas through them.
Not that i would have any experience, but so far i like my stuff and it would go well in an accompany/group context/setting. Solo guitar is a whole different matter, you need to have extremely high skillz both as player and composer, to do something valuable as Solo stuff IMO.
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Date Apr. 19 2010 3:20:32
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flybynight
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RE: composing duende feeling flamenc... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)
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Part of the answer must lie the really nitty-gritty detail of technique, and it still amazes me how a single bar of Manolo Sanlucar's playing will move me more than a whole Otmar hoojamawhatsisface album.
When he plays, it's as if every damn note counts like it's the last note he will ever play. And there is the key I think.
One evening, instead of doing your usual practice routing, spend two hours focussing on a single note. Really.
Hold a bar chord, and with your ring finger, focus on the distinct stages:
- the initial movement, and speed of your finger as it hammers on the string. Look exactly where on your finger tip you are hitting the string. And how reliably you can hit the same, sweetest spot.
- the holding down of the note before you release it.. is your finger comfortable ?
- how long can you hold down the note for - does it get unconfortable.. are all muscles in your left hand completely relaxed, and if not, why not ?
- the hammer-off - does the pull-off angle feel comfortable, how much tension do you need to use, really ? Will more tension give you a buzz, and so the angle isn't correct ?
Try faster, slower, play with the dynamics like it's a granaina. How softly can you play, how loudly, can you switch effortlessly between the two without any jerkiness or tension.
And now do that for every different technique, both right and left hand.
So yep.. I'm sure much of this duende can only be 'soaked in' over time, but the ability to concentrate and deconstruct, then reconstruct, in slow motion, every facet of playing must be useful, and gives us the sublety and awareness to project any emotion that we want to put into the music, as inspiration allows ?
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Date Apr. 19 2010 5:13:15
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minordjango
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RE: composing duende feeling flamenc... (in reply to Haithamflamenco)
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quote:
flybynight
excellent ideas it hink there keep me busy for the next year, just yesterday i took one bar froma a piece played it so slowly(I feel asleep), well no i didnt i thought wow this is a brilliant idea sounds great , i mean i heard it in another way to really internalize things can be hard after a long day but a must, its all in the how w do something.
inspiration go to spain see the local folk play and the beautiful places like Granada, read the history, poems , and see the art work, learn about the gitanos.
song of the outcasts (by the late robin totton) is a great, and focus on just a few pieces at the most , mabye just one palos and really get into it , cante, dance , guitar listen listen .
well thats what im doin' now poco un poco im getting better for a beginner
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Date Apr. 20 2010 0:30:18
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