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avimuno
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RE: Madrid vs Granada (in reply to orsonw)
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Hi, I'm not a builder so I can only give you my very humble opinion as a player whose owned guitars from both traditions. Madrid guitars tend to be bigger... both in size and sound. They have a strong focussed midrange that cuts through very nicely. They also tend to be fairly dry and have a big sound to them. Examples of Madrid guitars would be Conde, Pedro de Miguel, Ramirez, Teodoro Perez etc On the other hand, Granada guitars tend to be a bit smaller (many of the Granada builders still use the smaller Torres body). They are very raspy and aggressive, and although they don't quite have a big focussed midrange, they still cut very nicely. They also tend to sound a bit thinner than Madrid guitars. That said, they also tend to be more lyrical and have a true Andalucian voice. Famous Granada builders include Antonio Marin Montero, Plazuelo, Antonio Raya Pardo, the Bellido family etc. I also agree with you: Madrid guitars have a stiffer pulsation than Granada guitars (or at least my Conde did compared to my Raya Pardo).
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Date Dec. 17 2009 13:22:54
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: Madrid vs Granada (in reply to Ron.M)
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ORIGINAL: Ron.M quote:
Some of them even make marketing for other brands, but when they give concerts, you see them with their Conde. Arash, That's because Conde is the best guitar thats ever been made. Even if it's built with other builders...or even in a small factory. Makes no difference.. If it says Conde on the label, then it's the best you are ever gonna get. That's why all the top players play them. cheers, Ron i don't know if this comment is meant to be ironic or not. if so, i am still asking myself, why so many pros. play Conde. and am waiting for an answer. it is for sure not because they are victims of marketing or because paco played Conde or...... i am sure that guitarists with that skill, want a guitar which suits them in all aspects. and they are free to choose whatever guitar they like in their concerts etc. so the only conclusion for me would be that they like condes and prefer them over many others. of course there are all the negative aspects which we know and which we talked about several times (fakes, built by others, overpriced, etc.). i was one of those "Conde haters" in the past, just because i tried 2 condes and didn't like them at THAT time. could have been my poor skill, could have been that those condes were really not good, could have been something else. recently i played a A26 from a friend, and it was the best guitar i ever had in my hands and tried out. would like to add that i play more powerful than in the past, so maybe this is also a reason. i am not sure.
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Date Jan. 24 2010 12:42:33
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Arash
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RE: Madrid vs Granada (in reply to orsonw)
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you know, its a little bit strange. i have never heard anybody saying in a foro that a guitar of an quite unknown amateur builder was bad or not suitable. they seam to be all terrific. like Mr. A from Alaska builds fantastic guitars. Mr. B from USA builds the best guitars. Mr. C from Canada builts guitars which are far better than any other guitar i have ever heard. etc.....etc....etc..... even someone who is building his first guitar as hobby, seams to be better than conde. seams like , acc. foro opinion, all guitars out there are good, only Condes suck ! but many many pros. play Condes. don't know, the A26 i played had the best setup and playability from all guitars which i tried and that sound which i am (now) looking for. unfortunately, it was not for sale . if so, i would have bought it immediately withough thinking twice. maybe it was an exceptional one, maybe some others (same model) are not that good. maybe the one i played, was outsourced to a 18 year boy in valencia. i don't know and i don't care. the guitar was fantastic, whoever built it. i am starting to understand why many good players prefer them over anything else. however, this was a development of my taste during the years. so i don't know what i prefer or like in say 5 years. i just can talk about what its right now. maybe in the future, i will hate them again
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Date Jan. 24 2010 14:21:34
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Anders Eliasson
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RE: Madrid vs Granada (in reply to orsonw)
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Funny enough. I went to a big show here in Huelva with a lot of the very top players: Tomatito, Pepe Habichuela, Manolo Sanlucar, Romero, M. A. Cortez, Rodriguez and some others which I have forgotten. NOONE played a Conde., but I guess it s because they dont know? Better write them a mail Ron. A lot of fantastic guitars with the Label saying Conde have been made, but its all history IMO. What they produce now looks like a piece of mass produced plastic imported from China and the sound is close to that as well. Besides, this thread has been hijacked by Conde freaks (again) Maybe you dont know that when you talk about Madrid/Granada you dont include Condes. They are not considered to be typical Madrid guitars like Ramirez, Barbero, Contreras, Romero, Pedro de Miguel etc.
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Date Jan. 25 2010 0:21:44
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