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Stu

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to Arash) 
I agree Arash! what a horrible read that is....and captain bob was first to reply and confirm he'd posted in the correct section!!!!
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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to Arash) 
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ORIGINAL: Arash

well, how can we talk and discuss anything with someone with such an attitude ?


errr, with sarcasm and irony... ?



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Estevan

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to CuerdasDulces) 
Humberto demonstrates it very clearly here [at 5:38]:


That's Pepe's m-m-i, up-down-down.

Before that he shows Niño Ricardo's p-i-i, up-up-down.

As (our) Ricardo said, the most common way of doing this sort of 'gallop' ras these days is i-a-i, up-down-down (or p-a-i), but it's interesting to see - and try - these variations.
It's not just a matter of banging out a rhythm, but every different pattern adds a subtle variation of colour and feeling. The more the merrier.

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to CuerdasDulces) 
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By the way has anyone ever seen the full video of this guy "Guillermo Rios" ?
I wonder if thats his REAL name.


Guillermo is a great guitarist and a good friend. He is originally from Massachusetts. We worked together with Rosa Montoya in SF for years. He studied extensively in Spain with Juan Maya Marote, and was, indeed, a good friend of Pepe Habichuela's. I saw him occasionally in Madrid in the 80s with Pepe. Like Marote, Guillermo has a large repertoire of interesting rasgueados - both triplets, that included the thumb and various 'finger' ones. When he plays this m-i-m slowly on the video, it shows how it is useful for siguiriyas, and is reminiscent of a technique Sabicas used in his siguiriyas opening. I know that Guillermo became interested in flamenco from hearing a Sabicas record and is a great admirer of Sabicas (and plays a lot of his material, as well as more modern, 80s material).

With respect to this thread, the fact is that there is lots of variation in rasgueados, and this tends to change over time. I went to Spain in the 70s using my 'whole hand' roll (p e a m i); I then changed to a much cleaner triplet ( p e i), which is what some of the Habichuelas use as an alternative to the Marote triplet ( p - m - p). My finger rasgueados still use four fingers, but few younger guitarists use more than three. On the other hand, I've seen the full hand roll making a comeback - Nun~ez demonstrates it on his video, and I believe Moraito uses it occasionally. I doubt any prescriptive, categorial statement about rasgueados will stand an empirical test.

I haven't talked to Guillermo in awhile, but I believe he is in the LA area. Like lots of us, he has his nom de guerre; his real name is Bill Glidden.

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to granjuanillo) 
Speaking of I just came across this. Great mix of different rasgueados including famous triplet abanico, the one I pointed out of paco earlier starting i up, and one crazy wiggling up and down repeatedly with only m finger there in the beginning.



Oooo check 1:03....i up, m down, i down, i m i, i up then i down accenting the contra. That was pretty new back in 75 I would say. Same thing now adays most guys us a instead of m.


I remember reading somewhere he developed his famous triplet cuz of an injury made his other techiques lack power. Based on this vid, what a load!

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to Stu) 
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Speaking of I just came across this. Great mix of different rasgueados including famous triplet abanico, the one I pointed out of paco earlier starting i up, and one crazy wiggling up and down repeatedly with only m finger there in the beginning.




Wow, awesome! I've been looking for video of Marote for ever. My teacher Tito Rubio studied and toured with him in the 80s and 90s.

http://www.folkloreproject.org/folkarts/artists/rubio_t/index.php

Speaking of rasgueados, Tito also showed me an interesting one that I think Paco does...it's very tricky but you kind of hold your i and p together like a pick and use that and m to create a triplet. He used it for a really cool gentle soft effect on the trebles.
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Estevan

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to Ricardo) 
Marote vids - great find, Ricardo!

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granjuanillo

 

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to Ramon Amira) 
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But linguistically "Pepe's rasgueado" would correctly mean "Pepe's one and only rasgueado," which is the way I understood it.


I don't get this - "that's Bob's book." - does that mean "Bob's only book"? If so, "That's Bob's book, and so is that." should be a contradiction, which it isn't. I don't get the uniqueness as even an implicature.
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Estevan

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RE: Pepe Habichuela's rasgueado? (in reply to granjuanillo) 
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quote:
[Prominent Critic]
But linguistically "Pepe's rasgueado" would correctly mean "Pepe's one and only rasgueado," which is the way I understood it.

quote:

[granjuanillo]
I don't get this - "that's Bob's book." - does that mean "Bob's only book"? If so, "That's Bob's book, and so is that." should be a contradiction, which it isn't. I don't get the uniqueness as even an implicature.

Just wilful stupidity on Harry's part, for the purpose of provocation. (Unless all the players he's familiar with have only one rasgueo pattern each...)


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