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Jon Boyes

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Just started accompanying!! 

Well guys one of my goals for a while has been to try accompanying baile, and last night I got there. I am so excited about this.

Here's the story..

There is only one pro flamenco dance instructor in our city, called Mercedes Romero, who runs dance classes, teaches privately and puts on shows. For some time I've been thinking of going along to her dance class and just seeing if she'd let me hang out and play along with the music (she uses CDs in her class). I thought about leaving this until I was more experienced, but last night I suddenly had a window (cancelled gig) and I thought what the heck, I am just dying to try this out, now or never..

So I turned up with guitar in hand, just as Mercedes (the dancer) is about to start her class. I went straight up to her and asked if she minded me playing along a little. She looks at me and my guitar case dubiously and says something like ..".. well I don't know what you can play..."
I said I could play along to Tangos and Rumba (I checked out the advert for the classes beforehand to see what she palos was doing this term), and I explained that although I had no experience accompanying I was sure I could pick it up and play along with her CD.

She still looks dubious (understandably! ) and says.. "..well I don't know what kind of guitar you have.."

..so I assure her its a flamenco guitar (and not a Fender strat ) in my case, and whip out the guitar to show her. I play through a few bars of Tangos, and suddenly she dashes off to get a chair, puts it in the corner of the dancefloor and announces to the dance class that I will be helping to accompany them.

Gulp! We're on!

She goes thru palmas and basic steps with the class unaccompanied, then asks me to provide music.
I stick to the basics - straightforward, loud tangos compas with minimum fuss and no falsetas. After a while she asks me what else I can play - Farruca maybe? I'm not on safe ground here, so I suggest I play por rumba. She asks me to show her, so I demonstrate a quick rumba with slapping on the guitar etc. She corrects my accenting (..note to self, must remind Juan Martin about THAT one... ) , I revise the pattern and we're off again, with the class doing their thing.

She asks me if I know Tientos, but again I have to say 'not well enough'. She sticks a Solo Compas CD on for the class to dance to, I listen closely what the guitarist is doing, then start playing along. She suddenly comes over, impressed by the fact that I could work out quickly what was happening on the CD and play along to it, and tells me I have a very good ear. Now she is rather more interested!

What can I say? An I had an hour of pure fun! I loved it. It was so nice to take a back seat from playing as a soloist, and so nice to be part of something bigger, and more flamenco.

At the end of the class I thanked Mercedes for letting me bumble along to her class and asked if I could come regularly (nothing like pushing your luck, eh?). She said yes, and (amazingly) wants to meet up to discuss things further, so I gave her my card.

Next week she is lending me some of the Solo compas material she is using so I can go away and prepare it better, and play some more variations.

Wow! I am still buzzing over this.

Jon
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Escribano

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

That's the way to do it Jon, in at the deep end! Now you better go buy some more Solo Compas CDs.

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Skai

 

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Whoa that's something I'd really really love to do.. Probably wouldn't happen where I am Good for you!

Skai
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2004 12:53:20
 
Miguel de Maria

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Congratulations, Jon! That's great! I have just started accompanying as well, and it is quite good. There's a lot of stress from not knowing for sure if you will crash and burn, but I think it's good for you!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2004 16:01:21
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Hi Jon,

Great story and well done.

Takes a lot of bottle to do what you did.

Dance accompanyment's a magic thing to be doing, ok! cante would be something else but to work with a good dancer will help iron out all sorts of things and as you say, you get to sit in the corner and relax a bit.

Great stuff.

Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Sep. 30 2004 16:06:52
 
mentrida

 

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Jon, you're my hero man!!!

What a great event and accomplishment. You just renewed my desire to keep practicing the long hours. Maybe, just maybe, one day I'll be able to do as you.

Congrats!!
SJ
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 1 2004 3:34:18
 
photog

 

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Well done! I would advise any guitarist playing flamenco to seek out a dancer or dance class and play for them. It will improve your playing 100%. You will of course have to repeat some sections of music over and over while the dancers perfect their steps and it goes without saying be in compas each time. You will also learn dance terms that sometimes crop up in guitar music. I found an amplifier was necessary once 30 plus pairs of feet get stamping away but don't let that you be put off. No fancy falsettas just good basic stuff (unless it's asked for).
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 1 2004 15:02:28
 
Kate

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to photog

quote:

ORIGINAL: photog
Well done! I would advise any guitarist playing flamenco to seek out a dancer or dance class and play for them. It will improve your playing 100%.


Yes well done from me too Jon. I'm talking with promoters in England about the possibility of Emilio and his group doing some master classes. Emilio suggested that he could do a master class in accopanying baile and cante, after all he will have his dancer and singer with him and I wondered what you all thought. I know a lot of you are not in UK but am still interested to know if it is something that would be of interest and more importantly how much you would be prepared to pay for say a 3 hour master class, with guitarist, singer, dancer and percussionist. We're also talking about a compas workshop. Also for the Brits would you be prepared to travel as it will prob be down south. I've just booked Emilio into a festival in Nottingham on 26th January at the Lakeside Arts Centre. No plans for workshops there though unfortunately. Hope some of you can make it. I'll post agin when have detailsof ticket prices and box office.

Any feedback on accompanying classes appreciated. And once again well done Jon. Do you have any venues near you we could try? Sounds like if there is a flamenco dance school we may get an audience.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 1 2004 15:39:46
 
Jon Boyes

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Kate

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kate
Emilio suggested that he could do a master class in accopanying baile and cante, after all he will have his dancer and singer with him and I wondered what you all thought. I know a lot of you are not in UK but am still interested to know if it is something that would be of interest and more importantly how much you would be prepared to pay for say a 3 hour master class, with guitarist, singer, dancer and percussionist.


Well Kate it sounds like a fantastic opportunity, but I just couldn't afford to pay for something like that at the moment. Marriage + Baby + house extension means things are on a very tight budget for the forseeable future. I couldn't afford Raphael's workshop at Bath this year, which is only a couple of hours away, for the same reason

As for venues Kate, here is where they do the flamenco dance classes:

http://www.barbicantheatre.co.uk/

Although I doubt there would be much take up for a workshop aimed at guitarists in this area.

Obviously if you are planning any approach to the theatre it should be done via Mercedes, as its her class and her livelyhood.

Hope thats of some use - thanks for the supportive comments Kate, and everyone else


Jon
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 12:45:57
 
Kate

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Hi Jon,

Well it was a hypothetical question really, ie how much would you pay ( if you had the time, money, no worries about mortgage, no baby to feed etc)

How much was Raphael charging for his workshop ?

I had no idea that the Barbican was doing flamenco dance classes. Thanks for letting me know. Is that where you accompanied ? I sort of get confused and have this picture of you somewhere in the valleys :) not in London at all.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 13:37:28
 
Jon Boyes

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Kate

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kate
Hi Jon,

Well it was a hypothetical question really, ie how much would you pay ( if you had the time, money, no worries about mortgage, no baby to feed etc)


Oh OK, ..errmm if its a three hour workshop, around £75? Might be worth phoning the London guitar studio - they do workshops like this and you could see how much they charge. Last I heard they were trying to get Moraito over to do one.

quote:


I had no idea that the Barbican was doing flamenco dance classes. Thanks for letting me know. Is that where you accompanied ? I sort of get confused and have this picture of you somewhere in the valleys :) not in London at all.


That's the Barbican Theatre in Plymouth not London .

Jon
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 14:05:51
 
Jim Opfer

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Kate

quote:

more importantly how much you would be prepared to pay for say a 3 hour master class, with guitarist, singer, dancer and percussionist.


Hi Kate,

I have the Cd so a master class sounds very good.

This however, could be like a 10 course meal with not much time to digest before the pudding course

The problem's going to be that quite often workshops arranged around a show, tend to be a bit of a waste of time, full of good intentions but either there's too much material being covered in a general way or they focus on limited material but the level is too basic because students turn up with a big difference in playing ability. It's a dilemma. One other point is that if it takes place before the concert, the master has his mind on the show, so it's better the following day, however, my experience is that by this time he just wants to chill out, he turns up late or has a hangover from the party.

It would have to be tied down a lot and offer players at different levels different things and probably at different times.

I'd happily travel 300 hundred miles each way from Glasgow with an overnight stay in some hotel somewhere and then pay £100 for a good 3 hour guitar session with a player like Emilio.

If it's a class of mixed ability? mmm! I'd have to wait and hear how it goes but don't count me out.

Jim.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 16:22:30
 
Mark2

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Congrats Jon. But be careful as this will probably change your entire perspective on flamenco. I was also active as a solo player before learning to accompany dance, and the natural progression seems to be a gradual decline in interest in solo playing. Once the bug has bitten you, you will become infected. Soon you will not enjoy playing bulerias much without palmas, and you may eventually find that flamenco guitar by itself has lost a lot of purpose. Once you start to play for singers, you are toast! Your going to see your compas improve by leaps and bounds and you are going to have more fun playing the guitar than before. You are going to be tempted by women who never look better than when they are dancing flamenco. Your better half may not be as thrilled as you when you are hanging out with all those beautiful girls.............don't say you weren't warned :-)
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Mark2

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Hi Kate,
I think it may be a bit much to have cante, baile, percussion, and guitar in one class. Maybe he could do two classes-one with the singer and one with the dancer. I know that for me it was difficult to learn to follow both at the same time. From a student's point of view, I'd rather concentrate on one at a time. A one hour to 90 minute class like that with ten to twenty students and a guitarist and singer from Spain would cost about $35.00 to $40.00 a person here in San Francisco. More money than that and you could get private instruction.
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Kate

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jon Boyes

That's the Barbican Theatre in Plymouth not London .

Jon



Ah of course Thanks for the info Jon and good luck with accompanying.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 18:19:53
 
Kate

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jim Opfer

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jim Opfer

This however, could be like a 10 course meal with not much time to digest before the pudding course

Jim.



I get your point. I think Emilio's idea was to have the first half of the workshop doing technique and palos and the second half doing some accompanying with a fin de fiesta feel at the end.

Good point about the mixed levels as well. Perhpas we should think about beginners and intermediate.

Thanks for suggestions.

Kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 18:26:22
 
Kate

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Mark2

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mark2

I think it may be a bit much to have cante, baile, percussion, and guitar in one class. Maybe he could do two classes-one with the singer and one with the dancer. I know that for me it was difficult to learn to follow both at the same time. From a student's point of view, I'd rather concentrate on one at a time. A one hour to 90 minute class like that with ten to twenty students and a guitarist and singer from Spain would cost about $35.00 to $40.00 a person here in San Francisco. More money than that and you could get private instruction.


Thanks for the quote Mark. Always good to know what the going rate is. I see what you mean about coping with the whole kaboodle at one time. Jim said the same. Personally I think the dance accompaniement would be more popular, but that's becasue Ana is drop dead gorgeous. See the photos from Lewes and I think you'll agree.
http://lewesonline.com/photopost/showgallery.php?cat=508

Saludos

kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 19:49:21
 
Mark2

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Kate

Yes Kate,
I'm sure she would keep my attention. :-)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 4 2004 23:26:31
 
Crows

 

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Kate

Hello Kate,

Do you know when tickets will be available for Nottingham?

Thanks, Andy.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 8 2004 8:15:58
 
Kate

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Hi Andy,

I dont know just yet but the box office tel number is 0115 846 7777


Cheers
kate

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 8 2004 9:36:23
 
Crows

 

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Kate

Hi Kate,

Thanks for the reply. I will ring them.

Andy.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Oct. 10 2004 22:22:24
 
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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to Jon Boyes

Hi jon

Nice one mate!!! to to hear you are finally taking the plunge, you might remember me!LOL... If anything playing for a dancer can only better your sense of compas and enable you to find more freedom to be able to playaround through the knowing it (compas).

I learnt so much by playing for a dancer, they can be such prima donna's LOL, anyhow one thing I learnt was that I got so board playing the same thing over and over that I eventually found more freedom in knowing the compas to be able to develop my own style which I am still doing LOL i dont think it will ever end, there so much to learn with this wondeful art form, and so much to develop with the changing times. as for the beautiful women out there yes I suppose they can be tempting LOL

Anyhow Jon I wish you all the best, and maybe we can get together sometime and you can show me how to do the rumba LOL

Grant
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Jon Boyes

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RE: Just started accompanying!! (in reply to musicalgrant

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ORIGINAL: musicalgrant

Hi jon

Nice one mate!!! to to hear you are finally taking the plunge, you might remember me!



Whoops, yes, only just saw this and said much the same thing in another thread

See "just found this forum"

Jon
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