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All we are is dust in the wind.
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Ricardo
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 RE: All we are is dust in the wind. (in reply to cathulu)
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Well atoms, we can at least split em...creating some beautiful death and destruction and or leaving some nice radioactive waste that we can't handle or store. Environmental control....solar system control???? Sorry, some people can't even drive a car. I think we are along way from controlling anything in the universe, much less ourselves.
But we HAVE invented plastic, which does not naturally occur in the universe. As George Carlin once said, our purpose for the universe always was to create non biodegradeable plastic and styrofoam....Then we can become extinct as all other animals that ever lived have BUT will have left a little trace of our important existence. 
Seriously, regarding interstellar travel, most people don't understand how spread out things are in space. Sort of like the "if the tree falls in the forrest, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?".... if we actually DO travel to the stars, at relativistic speeds or with multigenerational ships, it doesn't really matter to the human race on earth. Only the group of travelers have the experience. We would have to take the entire human race on the trip for it to really matter. And it would be kind of a boring un eventful life long trip, traveling for years just to see some dead local planets. Luckily, we have our imaginations and can "fly" through space with simulations like above posts. A beautiful impossible trip in our minds brought to life on the computer screen, that is the truly amazing accomplishment of humans IMO. But there are limitations and/or consequences to what we can actually do in the physical world.
Meanwhile, it is nice to be here enjoying flamenco for a little while.
Ricardo
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Date Dec. 21 2009 23:58:14
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: All we are is dust in the wind. (in reply to kovachian)
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well, evenually we must leave this planet (in about 6 billion years), whether we want or not.
because the sun will die and so our planet and so we all would die (if we haven't killed ourselves until that time by splitting too many atoms though), if we would just play flamenco guitar the whole time.
but i think traveling with speed of light is not very promising, considering the crazy distances in the universe and the other problems.
i think something like a wormhole / a shortcut in space and time is required.
or we could built a time machine, and travel back in time (like 6 or more billion years back), and stay on earth.
like my grand grand grand grand....child would say hello to me
in 6 billion years, we humans are not humans anymore but some kind of cyborgs or we have fully replaced ourselves with robots. and these robots could survive and save our DNA (if we want it to be saved) and make long journeys without any problem (we could build thousands of ships who would travel in all possible directions for million years), then, if any of them would find a new place to live, they would wake up from the "robot sleep" , and reactivate our DNA.
May the force be with us!
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Date Dec. 22 2009 2:35:34
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: All we are is dust in the wind. (in reply to Ricardo)
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quote:
ORIGINAL: Ricardo
quote:
i think something like a wormhole / a shortcut in space and time is required.
or we could built a time machine, and travel back in time (like 6 or more billion years back), and stay on earth.
like my grand grand grand grand....child would say hello to me
Wormhole? Cutting through the fabric of space and time, and developing the technology and engergy to hold it open long enough to slip through, is quite a ways off from inventing plastic I think. Also, the earth was not yet formed 6 billion years ago. So careful with the dial settings of your "time machine". 
The idea of Robots traveling with DNA is interesting and probable though. If anything that will be the way. Or perhaps genetically engineering humans differently in the future to live longer or breath CO2 or something is possible. Either way, not the same as the romantic fantasy of actual humans leaving the earth to populate the stars.
Ricardo
well, yes but that would be if you travel back now.
i am talking about traveling back in time, IN about 6 billion years (shortly before the earth is going to be destroyed).
so the destination and time of arrival, would be now.
and not 6 billion years B.C. (where there was no earth)
and regarding impossible technologies:
if you would have asked a caveman some thousand years ago, what he thinks about
the general theory of relativity of einstein, you would probably just be clubbed and after
that cooked and eaten.
and this was just few thousand years ago.
so what will be in million or even billion years from now?
the humans (if they are still humans) would not even be able to communicate with us,
not to mention that we would not understand anything about their technologies.
it would be like if i would want to talk to a dog and explain my thoughts to him.
people need to think beyond actual conditions.
this is our mistake, when we talk about these things.
i don't think that in some billion years, things that we are talking about (like
wormholes or such things), would be a big deal.
but i agree that we have to forget all the romantic fantasies.
it would probably be more like horror science fiction.
btw, do you think that in 6 billion years, flamenco is still existing ?
i am sure it will. but maybe with much more complex compas.
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Date Dec. 24 2009 2:23:23
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Arash
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From: Iran (living in Germany)
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RE: All we are is dust in the wind. (in reply to Doitsujin)
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ORIGINAL: Doitsujin
So sad that we arent able to find out the exact answers to all these open questions about space, when it began, what was before, what is outside of the universe etc. ... That makes this science to a religion.
well, i think on the one hand, yes, its depressing that we don't know the answer to all questions, but on the other hand its vital for us that we don't have the answer to all possible questions. this situation drives human beeings forward and is directly connected with human curiosity which always needs to be satisfied. if there would be no more unanswered questions, humans will fall in to a deep hole, stop to develop, and ultimately die.
second, there will be never a time, where all questions would be answered.
even if we should find out, who or what caused and started the known universe, we have to ask who or what created the first "who or what" and so on and so on.....
or, what is "outside" the universe ? if there should be any "outside", then you have to ask what is outside of that outside, and so on and so on.....
or what was before the big bang (which of course is a bit problematic, because big bang started the time itself acc. many sicientists) ? however, if there should be time before big bang, if you find out, then again, what was before the before ? and so on
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