Rosette mishap

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Andy Culpepper

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Rosette mishap

So, it all started with a cheapo pre-made rosette from Grizzly. It was thinner than the channel in some spots and was leaving gaps.
So my luthier/teacher told me to use a THIN line of water based white glue along the middle of the channel and clamp the rosette in, in order to expand it a little to fit.
Only problem, he left me unsupervised and I put WAY too much glue in, actually causing the rosette to expand like crazy and when I came back I realized the edges had swelled out of the channel. Totally ruined.
The solution, which I thought I would show you, was to soften the glue using a weighted heating pad, and moving it slowly around, scraping up after it with a knife. Then we cleaned up the old glue, found a new rosette that was wider inside and out, and routed out for it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2009 16:27:55

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

New rosette inlaid next to old carcass

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2009 16:30:09

estebanana

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Geeze, premade rosettes should be outlawed. At least you saved the top, good job. Why don't you study up and learn how to inlay the rosette from scratch yourself?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2009 17:59:11

estebanana

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

Oh, and next time just rout the rosette out, don't waste your time with that heating iron. You could have scorched the the top that way. Not that it's any of my business.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2009 18:01:46

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

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Oh, and next time just rout the rosette out, don't waste your time with that heating iron.

That was my first thought be he was kind of interested in trying to save the rosette and didn't want to screw up his bit I think... his shop so his call.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2009 18:12:59

estebanana

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

I'm going to make a video on rosette making in a few weeks when I have some down time. If you're interested I'll post a link here. You can do it more or less with hand tools at your kitchen table so everything could be your call.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 7 2009 19:34:32

Stephen Eden

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

well its an interesting idea none the less. the glue expanding trick could have worked even with a lot of glue if you had clamped a face plate to it while the glue set a bit perhaps? Some of the premades are actually good rosettes. if you make on a large scale i think they could save a lot of time. perhaps i can get my design made for me!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2009 2:13:08

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to estebanana)

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I'm going to make a video on rosette making in a few weeks when I have some down time. If you're interested I'll post a link here. You can do it more or less with hand tools at your kitchen table so everything could be your call.

That would be super cool. The guy who's teaching me has made 25 guitars and wants to start doing his own rosettes. I think it would be great because I hate 90% of the premade ones, even though they are quick and easy as SEden says.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2009 5:35:19

estebanana

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RE: Rosette mishap (in reply to Andy Culpepper)

It will be few weeks before I do another run of rosettes. I am going to document the fundamental ideas, you can run with them.

I've never used a premade rosette. My teacher would not allow it. I believe it's better to make a simple, honest rosette than to inlay something made by someone else. From that information you can make any rosette pattern you can think up, if you take time. And taking time is what distinguishes great artfully made guitars from compromise.

I had a few teachers, my first teacher said, "This object you're making is going to be around for 400 years if it's taken care of. So that means you can invest some time into it. " He also said "If that thing you're making can survive its own process of being made ( in other words your screw ups and fixes along the way) then it deserves to be born as an instrument. "

My last teacher said "The difference between great work and mediocre work is rework."

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 8 2009 10:05:36