The least shall come first!

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Ron.M

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From: Scotland

The least shall come first!

OK..after talking to John about going full-time guitar....it got me thinking....

Who on the Foro get's first prize for doing the LEAST amount of work for the MAXIMUM amount of time?

I mean by "work"....going into an office, hospital or factory or full-time education, or being self-employed in anything other than playing guitar for a living?

I think I managed to dodge work for just over a year...but that was living off savings and then a bit of Social Security....but I wasn't getting paid for playing, so that doesn't count!

Come on you long-hair, hippie wastrels...

Let's see ya!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 9:38:05

John O.

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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

Come on you long-hair, hippie wastrels...

You'd laugh if you saw my hair now, too

Four months and counting!

I think Ricardo, Jason, Henik and Todd (with the recent exception) have always played guitar for a living, haven't they? Flo's up there too now, I think.

Let's hear it for not working!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 9:50:59

Ron.M

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to John O.)

Henrik get disqualified for teaching guitar for a salary in a State-run school..

That's a "job" job....not a wastrel's job.

(That's why he doesn't have long hair...they make him shave his head!)

Sorry!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 10:27:48

Pimientito

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

I could tell you......but my lawyer advises me not to. Suffice to say that moving to Spain allowed me to free up a lot of time from the dirty 4 lettered "W" word.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 10:31:18

henrym3483

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Pimientito)

teaching steel string guitar to teenagers and kids has given me alot in return but not much more time, but i dont consider guitar teaching "work" and get alot of satisfaction when my students come along.

i got a 6 yr old to play "frere jacques" and "wish you a merry christmas" yesterday without any duff notes and it was a very happy moment for me to see them make the "jump" after so much effort.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 11:26:48

Ron.M

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to henrym3483)

A splendid deed Henry,

Did you go through his pockets for any money afterwards?

If not, you're not a true professional and thus disqualified.

Philanthropy is not the sign of a professional player in this contest....in fact, if you were, you could be had up for bringing the profession into disrepute.

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 11:30:29

John O.

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From: Seeheim-Jugenheim, Germany

RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to henrym3483)

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i dont consider guitar teaching "work"

Try teaching the same thing every two weeks to a woman in her house while her 7-year-old is running around screaming in the same room, I'm sure you'll see it differently

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 11:41:47

henrym3483

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to henrym3483)

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A splendid deed Henry,

Did you go through his pockets for any money afterwards?

If not, you're not a true professional and thus disqualified.

id hardly say so, i charge the going rate but some of my other friends who gig and teach usually charge double what i do because they are seen as the professionals

quote:

Try teaching the same thing every two weeks to a woman in her house while her 7-year-old is running around screaming in the same room, I'm sure you'll see it differently

ah john, you need to relax and not let such little things bother you.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 11:54:22

henrym3483

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to henrym3483)

oh yeah work for me for me is doing a job you dont want to be in. people who are not in this situation are few and far between

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 11:55:52

orsonw

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From: London

RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

It wasn't flamenco and I wasn't a hippie so I don't know if it counts!? But in my youth I very much lived the rock roll life style. 16 years in total.

7 years skint
1989 - 1996 self employed musician (making no money looking for a record deal, on the dole)
9 years earning
1996- 2005 self employed musician with a deal, selling records and making a decent living.

Now I've given up the teenage dream for others. I love flamenco for that- the older you are, the more you've lived, the better. It can express all aspects of the human condition not just the angry young man.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 12:14:06

John O.

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to henrym3483)

quote:

ah john, you need to relax and not let such little things bother you.

I'd be lying if I said it didn't, still I know it's so little compared to having a boss

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 12:17:02

Ricardo

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

I had rock band in high school that played a few paid gigs in 1991. Did some jazz gigs in college. Only really job I had was selling fireworks in the summer breaks, but I brought my guitar to the stand of course.

Since graduation 1997, only flamenco guitar and selective private teaching at home. I have long hair too. My wife is a flamenco dancer and does not have a day job either.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 12:19:35

Pimientito

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

Only really job I had was selling fireworks in the summer breaks

What did you do after the 4th July?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 12:42:08

marrow3

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

Hi,

quote:

Come on you long-hair, hippie wastrels

Is there much similarity between hippies and flamencos?

regards,
Richard

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 13:08:19

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 15 2009 13:12:13

Ron.M

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ricardo)

Good stuff Ricardo!

quote:

Only real job I had was selling fireworks in the summer breaks

I like it.

So when you make it big, you can finish your concerts off with a big firework display...like Queen and the big Rock bands...

That will certainly upstage Gerardo and the rest!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2009 10:25:20

Ron.M

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to orsonw)

quote:

9 years earning
1996- 2005 self employed musician with a deal, selling records and making a decent living.

Interesting stuff Orson!

What kinda stuff did you do and did you play with a band or what?

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2009 10:30:35

duende

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From: Sweden

RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

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Henrik get disqualified for teaching guitar for a salary in a State-run school..

damn!.... If its any comfort i work 4hrs getting payed for 8hrs. its a hard life.....

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Don't give up...
And don't make it a race.
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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2009 22:19:20

duende

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to henrym3483)

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dont consider guitar teaching "work"

well, do you have a hundred students in groups of 3 or 4? that realy getts the better of you sometimes......

somewhere along the line i just figured that hardly anyone get´s to be a rock n roll star or "big shot" playing music so teaching the guitar is perfect compromise.

you could work at a factory or some supermarket....and i´d end up killing people if i had to do that

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This is hard stuff!
Don't give up...
And don't make it a race.
Enjoy the ray of sunshine that comes with every new step in knowledge.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2009 22:24:17

minordjango

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

still doing it now .

15 years teaching rock, metal and blues a few months, save travel with mates hang on the beach , bit of welfare, then return home.

cycle it every year!, very low income , but many many stories, yet its bitten me on th B U M , as financial not a leg to stand on ,

nice reminder must buy some socks cut out some eyes rob a bank

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 16 2009 22:42:16

Kubase

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RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

I always worked 40-50 hours a week, and am studying for my MCSE, so finding time for flamenco was difficult. But then the recession kicked in and I was put down to 32 hours a week, meaning I got Fridays off. Since then I have been playing much more guitar (and for some reason studying less) and I find that the more I play, the more I play. I loved my Friday guitar marathons...

I now have some pretty heavy projects at work and have been given the opportunity to work as many hours as I need. To start off with I thought "great", as my bank balance was getting a bit worse for wear, but now, after the experience of a four day work week, I am starting to wonder what's really important. Less money and more guitar, or more money and less guitar?

Fact is, I don't get any negative feelings about career-related stuff. I've been trying to get another job, and failed, and it bounces off me. But I get angsty if I miss a days guitar practice. I probably should have gone through this when I was 20, not 36, but that's life I suppose. I still dream of a lengthy flamenco pilgrimage in Spain - living cheaply and playing, absorbing, playing, absorbing...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 17 2009 1:29:30

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From: Wisconsin

RE: The least shall come first! (in reply to Ron.M)

Ron,
I have to quote Dire Straits inorder to properly answer your question:

Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and chicks for free
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 18 2009 14:01:32