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Not all that shines is... French Polish
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Peter Tsiorba
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From: Portland, Oregon Pacific Northwest
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RE: Not all that shines is... French... (in reply to gj Michelob)
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Anders Eliasson wrote: No, I havent seen a guitar, being FP or varnish with a white spot where it has been in contact with the player. If the french polish/shellac mixture is not well de-waxed, it will have tendency to cloud and turn milky in contact with moisture or sweat. Shellac itself is not likely to be the problem, but wax content will do that. My darker shades of shellac are usually mixed from button lac, which has plenty of wax in it. After dissolving button lac, and allowing it to settle for a while, the waxy slurry settles to the bottom of the jar. By carefully siphoning-off the upper (transparent) layer of the solution, de-waxed portion is obtained. Blonde shellac is already de-waxed, so this step is not even an issue.
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Date Nov. 10 2009 10:26:08
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Not all that shines is... French... (in reply to jlneng)
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ORIGINAL: jlneng Thank you Anders for your comments, I can only go by what my friend spoke of. As he has been playing professionally for over 40 years, I have much respect for his opinion. FP today maybe quite a different animal than what was used years ago. As I don't own any FP guitars, I cannot comment directly. However, I don't think that if one was soaking wet with sweat dripping on an FP guitar, that it would do either the player or the guitar any good. I think it's clear that shellac will harden up quite well in about a year and it takes a lot of sweat to damage finish, when the older shallac is well aged. But when it is new, it is very soft and subject to damage. Eugene Clark in Tacoma is one of the best french polishers I've seen as far as getting a nice color like the old Spanish guitars with Gomo Laca that had the tint already in the flakes, and supplied by the distributor. Now, there is no more tint like that and many builders just use the yellow tint that is supplied from these finish outlets. And of course, every builder will have his own tint to work with, if he chooses not to use the yellow color.
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Date Nov. 13 2009 3:53:20
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Tom Blackshear
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RE: Not all that shines is... French... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo Regarding sound differences on a refinish. I assume the tap plate is always replaced with a new different one. This changes the sound significantly in my experience. Just changing the plate changes the sound even if you don't touch the finish. About "heavy hand" guitars. I feel this is more about the set up, but I am usually impressed by Conde's that when you need to play them really hard, they respond, where as many guitars have more volume and harmonics than a conde but can sound really bad when you drive em hard. Could be related to the "pulsation" anders always talks about too, which I still don't understand as part of guitar construction. And about FP guitars and sweat. I mean, everyone must have seen those nerds that where socks on the right arm or a cut sweater sleeve, to protect the guitar finish? It can really mess up your guitar's finish. Even lacquer guitars can get messed up. But FP guitars that were sweated on a lot, especially from like old spanish guys, can end up looking bad and smelling worse!!! I like a guitar that looks like it was played a lot though, I admit. Ricardo The newer Condes have good articulation, and it is due to the newer designs they switched to since the late 60's. I approve of the way they play but like all things new they can have some downside depending on who actually builds the guitar. I've noticed that their newer design comes fairly close to the old Gerundino design. The two high braces on either side of the middle seem to be the balance for the over all playing technique and if they are tuned right, then everything else seems to work right. I just finished up a flamenco negra and thought that I was going to have some trouble with the articulation and sound, that was too active, but when I installed the tap plate, everything came into focus. The tap plate has a lot to do with adjusting sound. The guitar has a good operating value that I hoped for but didn't know until the plate was installed. I realize this is the way it works but I still get a little paranoid until it happens. The french polish always takes me a long time to finish out, as I like to see it fairly smooth on the suface without a lot of shrinkage. Aside from warm lights and a little fan blowing across the work, I don't know of a faster way to accomplaish a solid finish in less that 2 months.
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Date Nov. 19 2009 2:33:10
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