RE: Recording Tutorial

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at_leo_87

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

this is an awesome thread. thanks todd!!

i want to join as i have a bunch of questions but i dont want to say anything because i dont to reveal my identity for the intermediate challenge. i hope this thread will still be alive in a week.

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flybynight

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

This really is an excellent thread. Thanks Todd - I'm not good enough to record yet, but when I do, at least I can avoid making mistakes from day 1.

On Bursches crackiling bases..

quote:

I love how the action is set on your guitar and the response you get out of the basses.

Is this great sound something about the quitar, or something about Burche's hands and technique ?

I bet that Bursche has his thumbnail filed really well (nice click when rolling off the bass), and really digs in, playing the bases Apoyando on this tremolo ?

Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread starting talking about thumb technique, but just an observation.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 26 2009 0:37:15

ToddK

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to flybynight)

quote:

Is this great sound something about the quitar, or something about Burche's hands and technique ?

I bet that Bursche has his thumbnail filed really well (nice click when rolling off the bass), and really digs in, playing the bases Apoyando on this tremolo ?

Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread starting talking about thumb technique, but just an observation.

Its both. Bursche knows how to get a nice apoyando thumb stroke, and the action on the guitar is low enough to get a nice bit of buzz underneath the note.
Muy flamenco!
TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 26 2009 1:03:46

Pimientito

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

Great post Todd. Thanks very much. This is going to help a lot with the challenge recordings.
Apart from the studio or home recording technique this info is also quite important for playing live.
For anyone thinking of playing through an PA or amplifier the live sound can be ruined if you dont cut out some of those middle frequencies on the amplifier. I have my lowest frequency at about 1K and set the rest of EQ ascending either side of it. Make sure your sound guy does the same if you are on stage.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 26 2009 2:06:35

kozz

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

Good info Todd.

Only one question: What monitors do you use?

Most people have a normal stereo and/or pc-speaker system which are highly coloured and needs to be taken in account while equeing.

I totally agree on when you have a good balance on eq, compression is not necessary and just a bit of normalization will do the trick, maintaining the expression of the piece.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 26 2009 4:01:39

bursche

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

I did a full Rondeña recording now and added some descriptive stuff.

Have a look if you like:Rondeña thread

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 26 2009 8:54:10

at_leo_87

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

for those looking to treat their rooms, i found cheaper but apparently effective (read some reviews) options.

http://www.foambymail.com/soundproofing.html

anybody have any experience with this company?

what are the differences between the egg crate, pyramid, and wave patterns besides looks?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 10:51:51

Ailsa

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to at_leo_87)

Oh wow look at those colours

http://www.foambymail.com/Colors.html

that is art!!

Todd man, how could you go for plain black when you could have had purple..... or plum interspersed with orange

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 11:04:21

Ron.M

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to Ailsa)

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or plum interspersed with orange

Yeah Ailsa,

When I was 17, I painted my whole bedroom purple and orange...
Even the furniture! (which didn't please the old folks..

)

And of course...a picture of Che Guevara on the wall!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 11:11:59

XXX

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

I am actually thinking about something like a "tent" in which you record your stuff. I could use my bedcover it would soak alot of sound. I cant cover reflecting surfaces in my room as it would need too much tissue etc. I think for a try i will just sit on my carpet, and record with the mike under the bedcover !

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 11:20:11

Ron.M

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to XXX)

Hi Deniz,

Like a giant 'burkha' ...lol!

Thing is...that still produces a 'tuned' volume of air...

I heard that recording outdoors on a quiet, calm day has the "driest" sound.

Has anyone ever been inside an "anechoic" chamber?

They had one at the University I worked in....

When you went in and they closed the door, after about 30 seconds, you could really only hear your own speech through bone-conduction....and you could hear your lungs working and your blood pumping around your body!

Pretty scary and weird!

cheers,

Ron

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 11:32:15

marrow3

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to XXX)

Hi Deniz,

I tried something like that the other day, i had a sleeping bag over a clothes horse and a duvet tucked into a chest of drawers. I sat cross legged on the floor using the laptop microphone. It worked okay, the sound was free of reverb but still quite muffled in the mid to low range. It created only a small space and that could have negatively affected the sound

cheers
Richard

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 11:45:17

Doitsujin

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

This is a good thread... But did they all skip my samples? They weren´t meant to show some random playing... I uploaded that to get some suuggestions what I could change or work on regarding the sound. .. :./

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 12:37:35

at_leo_87

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to XXX)

quote:

I am actually thinking about something like a "tent" in which you record your stuff.

maybe you can make something like this:
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Auralex-MAXWall-1141VB?sku=472439

ailsa, i can totally see you decorating your walls with these funky colors. stylish and functional!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 13:00:30

XXX

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to Ron.M)

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ORIGINAL: Ron.M
Thing is...that still produces a 'tuned' volume of air...

Yes and the air is tuned in basses. I did a test. The distance was too short anyway so i blame mostly that. I need to find a construction which allows me to cover a greater room. Once thats solved it will be dry enough imo. Im really impressed with the difference, although i still havent found a good reverb setting.

HAHA leo, thats exactly what i thought of! Brilliant, it seems someone else had the idea before me. Anyways, 999$ is definitely too much, BUT it would be cool if you could actually FOLD it and put it somewhere where it doesnt need space. Anytime you need it you just build it up. The picture doesnt look like that.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 13:00:45

at_leo_87

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to Doitsujin)

quote:

his is a good thread... But did they all skip my samples? They weren´t meant to show some random playing... I uploaded that to get some suuggestions what I could change or work on regarding the sound. .. :./

doit, i actually liked the second trial the best. it stills sounds a bit like the guitar is far away. but the third sample, it sounds like it's too close. it's still missing that final 10% that would make it a brilliant recording. but i don't have any suggestions because i'm struggling with this problem myself.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 13:07:08

at_leo_87

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to XXX)

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HAHA leo, thats exactly what i thought of! Brilliant, it seems someone else had the idea before me. Anyways, 999$ is definitely too much, BUT it would be cool if you could actually FOLD it and put it somewhere where it doesnt need space. Anytime you need it you just build it up. The picture doesnt look like that.

999 is way too much. might as well use that as rent for a better sounding apartment.

i'm sure with some creativity you can build something more portable and cheaper. this is a project i might do too.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 13:10:17

Doitsujin

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

quote:

maybe you can make something like this:
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Auralex-MAXWall-1141VB?sku=472439

You can build that with 2 matresses in open triangle potition... its cheaper.

By the way... thanks for the answer to my question leo!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 27 2009 13:38:37

Doitsujin

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

I have question.

Now I got a good result in cubase... All sounds more or less ok to me. But when I export the file as wav or wmv it changes the sound a bit. It sounds more muffy and compressed after exporting and playing in the windows media player. Thats sooo disappointing.. I worked hard on the cubase settings but I cant export exactly what I hear in cubase...

Can anybody help me out with some hints what to do?
The only difference from the exported fie is that I dont listen to it through my external soundcard that only is "on" in cubase... But it should not change the sound so dramatically..

Please any advice??

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 31 2009 12:27:10

ToddK

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

When you export the file, is the "Real Time" box checked or unchecked?

Playback through different soundcards actualy CAN make that big of a difference.

Anyway, try exporting with the "Real Time" box checked. See if that makes
any difference.

TK

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 31 2009 13:14:41

Doitsujin

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to ToddK)

Thank you for the help Todd! I didnt find this checkbox... but because of that an idea came up and I found the reason.

Im so dumb... I have an MSI-soundcard in my pc-tower and it has its own mixer with some odd effects like "shower, arena, etc". When I change something there, all sounds go through it.. also youtube, any music-file I listen or other sounds. I raised the basses a little bit in past when I recorded la ardila for my personal taste, because I was not able to use cubase this time. Well,.. I forgot to switch it off.

But thank you for the fast answer! It may help me with future problems!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Oct. 31 2009 14:10:16

veet

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RE: Recording Tutorial (in reply to Doitsujin)

sorry for coming in late to this thread...
Doit:
comments: the SM57 is normally used for live sound, not an optimum recording mike. It's a dynamic mic, so the levels are going to be much lower than a condenser mic with 48v phantom power, and you have to move in very close to that mic for best results. Try posting something recorded with these same settings using your Oktava, or some condenser mic. Maybe Todd or someone can offer tweaks to turn down the excess detail, the 'noise' you describe is probably just highs that are lost in a dynamic mic.

Not too fond of the #3 version, it sounds too wet, too much 'verb for my taste, and a lot more than the first two samples.

Very nice playing, BTW
V

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Dec. 16 2009 13:22:21