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gj Michelob
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There is a little chapel, near the Roman forum, dedicated to St. Paul. A tight stair leads the ever-inappropriately-dressed tourist to a small lower level chamber. There, legend has it, St. Paul wrote his famous Epistles (letters to the Romans). And he did while slowly drowning in the sewage of the eternal city which drained in that chamber.
Each time I visit Rome I visit that painful site. While I lost much faith in the Roman Church, I still admire the revolutionary men and philosophy which had erected its first walls.
We all at some point in life, more or less frequently, will feel as a drowning prisoner, locked in a St. Paul’s chamber, struggling to breathe as the sewage raises around us. Whether real, an elusive ghost or a grandmother’s fairytale, any belief that there is a purpose in life, higher than the immediate circumstances, will grant wings to our crawling soul.
If you can play a Taranta, let it always take you to the heavens it conjures, when you end a phrase and your fingers form the F sharp Major. There “the eagles dwell, as does my heart”
[edited F sharp minor to Major.... ]
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Date Sep. 12 2009 7:08:02
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kozz
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From: Eindhoven NL
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I've felt fed-up and depressed for about the last 10 years....I thought that was normal?
That's exactly what it was, slowly but progressively.
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he logged on today on youtube, so i'd think he's fine just not a lot to say...probably spends more time on Jason's site...
Even the day before yesterday  ...
I've been indeed on Jason's site...sign up for one month and then excercise it...
Wow, GJ, I have to re-rereread it
Never heard of St.Paul, has it something to do with the DaVinci code
MD, when will you upload something again, I remember you had a very nice sound.
mrMagneta, I like Tarantas very much also. It's a nice form to freely excercise all you've learned on techniques.
Yesterday I've learned Jim Opfers arpeggio he has on his youtube channel.
What I like most is when it briefly goes into happiness and joy and than back in to darnkness again and waves on and on,....it feels like hope isn't lost yet
Guitar playing is a nice way to relief things, a year ago I couldn't use the guitar to express my feelings, now I can play few things.
I can imagine when you are more experienced it can be really powerfull.
Saludos
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Date Sep. 12 2009 12:21:50
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Escribano
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From: England, living in Italy
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RE: Back again (in reply to gj Michelob)
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There, legend has it, St. Paul wrote his famous Epistles (letters to the Romans). And he did while slowly drowning in the sewage of the eternal city which drained in that chamber.
Might that be the Mamertine prison, with the little door, in the forum, where St.Paul and St. Peter were held before their crucifixion? Always has an strange effect on me that place; but were they there together, up to their arse in ****, what did they talk about?
My father was Peter ("the rock") which is why I am called Simon (Peter's original name and it means "he who hears" in Hebrew) but in Spain they told me "Simon" means "he with the small nose" from the Greek, which is closer to the bone.
When I was in South America I was told that it is a very special name, in honour of Simón Bolívar.
In Mexico, "simón" is slang for "sí"
Whatever...
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Date Sep. 12 2009 13:05:51
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gj Michelob
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From: New York City/San Francisco
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Might that be the Mamertine prison, with the little door, in the forum, where St.Paul and St. Peter were held before their crucifixion? Always has an strange effect on me that place; but were they there together, up to their arse in ****, what did they talk about?
There is a cultivated man, Simon,… it is indeed the place.
What did Peter and Paul talk about? I suppose they had their own little “forum” through a special “network”…. one of underground tunnels, known as the catacombs.
Simon aka Peter the Rock, indeed. He built a church and you ForoFlameco, a place many of us frequent more religiously than the former.
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Date Sep. 12 2009 13:21:12
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kozz
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From: Eindhoven NL
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A dangerously phrased question, sir.
History, philosophy and religion necessarily overlap. Particularly for the Catholic religion, not only it is notoriously the successful alchemy of Greek philosophy, Roman Law and Jewish Theology, but it mothered one of the most important revolution in the western hemisphere. Perhaps, ultimately it destroyed a thousand year of progress to restore the darkest moment of mankind.
St. Paul was a Roman cavalry officer who converted after ruthlessly leading the most degenerate prosecution of early Christians. His conversion and conviction inspired generations, and deserves a place in history as he does in Sunday school.
As where things most of the times go wrong is not the question itselves but the phrasing. Having re-read it; it could be.
Can't agree more that things overlap, wheter that needs to be necessary I don't know. Science has been used by religions to keep the mass "unknown".
Like the Greeks had this Orcale with fire and doors that opened mysteriously, but was in fact nothing more a combination of "some" wireing and the communicating vessels.
But you write St.Paul was converted....maybe I've read something completly different then.
"The Scriptures do not record the deaths of Peter or Paul, or indeed any of the Apostles except for James the son of Zebedee (Acts 12:2), but they are clearly anticipated (see the readings below), and from an early date it has been said that they were martyred at Rome at the command of the Emperor Nero, and buried there. As a Roman citizen, Paul would probably have been beheaded with a sword. It is said of Peter that he was crucified head downward. The present Church of St Peter in Rome replaces earlier churches built on the same site going back to the time of the Emperor Constantine, in whose reign a church was built there on what was believed to be the burial site of Peter. Excavations under the church suggest that the belief is older than Constantine."
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