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at_leo_87

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ill be installing a new golpeador tonight. should i be worried about this little spot? it looks like the previous owner ripped it out when he adjusted the golpeador.



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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2009 14:08:52
 
Andy Culpepper

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

Hey man, how are you getting the golpeador off?

Don't know about lacquer but with french polish a golpeador will easily lift up any that it's touching.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2009 14:20:25
 
at_leo_87

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

hopefully with just a bit of heat from a hair dryer. if that doesn't do it, then im going to use a bit of lighter fluid or turpentine.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2009 16:50:48
 
Andy Culpepper

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

OK, *crossing fingers* let us know how it goes

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2009 17:49:10
 
HemeolaMan

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

scary!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 28 2009 18:45:04
 
HolyEvil

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

Hey Anthony.. I'm really really anal about things.. but with the tap plates, unless it's really buggered.. I'm not sure whether you should take it off.. what if you tip off a large chunk of lacquer with it and end up with new tap plates but with different colour wood underneath the plastic?

maybe leave it if it's not that worn out? just clean it up a little?
it sounds scary ripping it out...
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 29 2009 3:24:23
 
at_leo_87

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

too late...

i'll post pics soon!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 29 2009 11:55:35
 
mrMagenta

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

Interesting! Tell us how you did it. I've thought about replacing one of my plates too. I have one good plate and one that's weird. It's not 100% clear and see-thru like the other one so it's been bugging me. I think it might be a 'removable' sort.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 30 2009 10:29:02
 
mrMagenta

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

Weird.. My post is there but it didn't register, or bump the thread.
So.. .. .. Bump!

Leo, How did it turn out?

Oops, just found the other thread with the pictures. Looks like a success! Did you use a hair-dryer to warm up the golpeador before peeling it off? and how did you fill out the missing piece of laquer?
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 31 2009 1:51:09
 
at_leo_87

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to mrMagenta

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Leo, How did it turn out?

Oops, just found the other thread with the pictures. Looks like a success! Did you use a hair-dryer to warm up the golpeador before peeling it off? and how did you fill out the missing piece of laquer?


I didn't take off the blue sheet yet so I don't know 100% but from i see so far, it turned out great! better than i expected.

i took a blowdryer and warmed the edge of the neck side of the golpeador. these golpeadors went way up the body, the bass side all the way up to the end of the body. it looked horrible! i figured if i am going to use heat and i might damage something, it's better to damage one of the braces near the soundhole than one of the fan braces (im assuming the fan braces are more important).

i kept one hand through the soundhole to make sure the inside wasn't heating up. i moved the heat around a bit, never stayed in one exact spot and used it for 15 seconds at a time max.

then i just stuck my fingernail under there, which was a bit tricky. once i lifted it a teeny bit, i applied turpentine right away. then i just followed my pulling with a q-tip dipped in turpentine. so i just pulled, rubbed a little turpentine where the golpeador was coming off, pulled, rubbed, etc. the turpentine made it easier to pull the golpeador off and helped glue residue clean up as well.

once i got the golpeadors off, i used a cloth double wrapped around my thumb and turpentine and just pushed the glue (the long thumb nail has multiple uses!) by now, the turpentine i used to take off the golpeador has soaked in the glue residue for a bit. in the other thread, you can see how i pushed it all into one spot. this stuff is very stick, so try not to get it on your hand or other parts of the guitar. at this point, the guitar was as greasy as the tacos i had for dinner. make sure you really get all the glue off. by the way, my guitar is lacquered. so i have no idea what works for french polish. and i think using lighter fluid might have been easier from what i read.

i cleaned up the turpentine with water, then wiped it dry.

i used printer paper to cut out a shape for the new golpeadors. using tracing paper would have been much easier. cut the printer paper to the size of the golpeador or however big you want the golpeador to be. i then placed it down where i wanted it on the guitar and roughly tried to outline the rosette. then i used a compass to make a proper circle for the rosette. be extra sure about this part. measure and check 5 times. for the bottom corners, i just traced a really small dish and for the top, i traced the round part of my compass. a shot glass would do as well.

i took the piece of paper and flipped it over (so it is mirrored/reversed) and lined it up against the back of the golpeador sheet, taped it then cut with sharp scissors. i worked very slowly. i made small adjustments afterward with the scissors and sand paper, just rubbing it a bit to make it even and rounded.

now the fun part! i placed the golpeador in position. taped one side down well (i taped the bass side.) then i lifted up the rest of the golpeador and sprayed water all over (put a towel in the soundhole for this) the top. then i peeled off a bit of the back where i taped it to expose the adhesive side. press the golpeador down, then use something (your thumb, a block piece of wood wrapped in cloth, etc.) to push the golpeador down and the air bubbles out. the water will carry the air bubbles out with it when you push on them. then peel back some more, push down, push out air bubbles. then peel back some more, etc. until finally the whole thing is in place. clean up the excess water.

and that's it!

i didnt bother with the missing piece of lacquer, i just left it. it's actually not noticeable now that i took the old golpeador off.

the whole process probably took an hour. maybe more. but it goes by fast and it was actually pretty fun.

it's definitely do-able by anybody. you just have to be patient and work slow and accurate. the hardest part was cutting old the golpeador. and that was pretty easy.

if you want practice, replace the golpeadors on your least favorite guitar first.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 31 2009 3:07:27
 
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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

Looks like you did a fine job. For anyone else who tries this may I make a couple of suggestions?

I keep the edge of the golpeador about 1/8" (3mm) or so away from the leading edge of the bridge. The finish at the edge of the bridge tends to be slightly uneven and can cause air pockets also the space between the golpeador and bridge allows an area to push the water and air bubbles out when you are installing it. Dabbing a paper towel or napkin along the edge helps to draw the moisture out as you push out the air bubbles.

Add a little soap to the water. It helps to break up the surface tension so the water doesn't bead up.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 31 2009 6:02:49
 
at_leo_87

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to jshelton5040

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Looks like you did a fine job. For anyone else who tries this may I make a couple of suggestions?

I keep the edge of the golpeador about 1/8" (3mm) or so away from the leading edge of the bridge. The finish at the edge of the bridge tends to be slightly uneven and can cause air pockets also the space between the golpeador and bridge allows an area to push the water and air bubbles out when you are installing it. Dabbing a paper towel or napkin along the edge helps to draw the moisture out as you push out the air bubbles.

Add a little soap to the water. It helps to break up the surface tension so the water doesn't bead up.


good suggestion, john. i wish i knew this before i did it. i did this with my old guitar, i wish i did the same thing with my new one! but it doesn't look too bad.

did you see the picture with the air pocket? i was sure there were no air pockets but i think the air from some dents must have slowly collected into one mass creating that air bubble. it's really annoying. is there anything i can do about it?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 31 2009 6:19:35
 
mrMagenta

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RE: installing new golpeador, missin... (in reply to at_leo_87

Thanks for the description, Leo. I'll do it. I'll replace the one that's bugging me. I think it will be easier than yours because it's not stuck very hard.

When I put it on I used a credit card to push the plate into place and move the bubbles, but I didn't do a large sheet like yours so i think that made it easier to avoid bubbles.

I need to find a place to order a good tap plate sheet. The one I got last time was totally wrong, It's very thick, it looked transparent, but once it was on the guitar it became apparent that it has a sort of texture to it. Where did you order yours from?
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at_leo_87

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I need to find a place to order a good tap plate sheet. The one I got last time was totally wrong, It's very thick, it looked transparent, but once it was on the guitar it became apparent that it has a sort of texture to it. Where did you order yours from?


strings by mail has them for pretty cheap. http://www.stringsbymail.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_361&products_id=1156

i would use something a little firmer than a credit card. and cover it with a cloth so it doesn't scratch or do any damage.

it turns out, one air bubble formed somehow. you can see it in the other thread, i just posted some more pics. so if you have dings in your guitar top, be very careful and check it often for any air bubbles that may form.

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jshelton5040

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did you see the picture with the air pocket? i was sure there were no air pockets but i think the air from some dents must have slowly collected into one mass creating that air bubble. it's really annoying. is there anything i can do about it?

Just play it for a while. Sometimes those just go away. I've never been sure whether the wood slowly absorbs the moisture and air bubble or if the golpeador is slightly permeable and allows the moisture to pass through. Usually when I install them there are some opaque areas where some of the water is left behind. It always seems to vanish after a few days.

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at_leo_87

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Just play it for a while. Sometimes those just go away. I've never been sure whether the wood slowly absorbs the moisture and air bubble or if the golpeador is slightly permeable and allows the moisture to pass through. Usually when I install them there are some opaque areas where some of the water is left behind. It always seems to vanish after a few days.


alright, i guess i'll just be patient then. i have a screen protector for my laptop (kind of like monitor golpeador ) that had more bubbles than my bathtub. eventually they all went away. weird. let's hope the same will happen for my guitar.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Jul. 31 2009 22:31:25
 
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http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=78861&p=11&tmode=1&smode=1

Congrats on the makeover!

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 7 2009 11:03:18
 
at_leo_87

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http://www.foroflamenco.com/tm.asp?m=78861&p=11&tmode=1&smode=1

Congrats on the makeover!


thanks ricardo, your thread inspired me to take on the task myself. the blue protective sheet does look cool. i was a bit reluctant to take it off. im sure that will be a trend in the future. black ones, red ones, tye-dye ones for the hippies...

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