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avimuno

 

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Should new fret be grinded to be mad... 
Hi,

My teacher told me to get the fret of my guitar (it's only8 months old) grinded down in order to the flat and allow for the lowest possible action. The fret on his guitar are very flat and low - it's great for the action but i think that the sound suffers a bit.
However, I did notice on video closeups that the action is on Vicente's or Paco's guitar is incredibly low, and the frets also appear to have been grinded down, it might just be a mere impression though, videos can be deceiving.

Is gringind down new fret common practice and something that is actually recommended?

Thanks
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 7 2009 21:27:52
 
Pgh_flamenco

 

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
Consider the Plek machine for a fret job.

  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 7 2009 21:33:55
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
To gring down the frets is not standard. I dont like it myself, because, as you say tone suffers. I dont like to high frets either. Some standard 0,9 - 1mm fret height is a good compromise.
But as with everything else, taste is something personal and some players are extremely religious with that last tenth of a milimeter

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
on a sidenote: Isnt it easier to do barres with a higher fret? YOu can push the index more against the fret (more length -> more momentum)?

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 8 2009 2:56:19
 
TANúñez

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
You should do what you think is best for your guitar, not what your teacher thinks is best for your guitar. After all, your the one that will be playing it. Just because he likes them really low doesn't mean you will.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 8 2009 3:45:05
 
cathulu

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to TANúñez) 
The problem is that most of us don't have the opportunity to play many different guitars and fret options for very long. So we make do with what we have, never realizing life could be better or worse... we don't know what is best for us. So the more opinions from the people with experience the better.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 9 2009 22:08:03
 
Anders Eliasson

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
fret height is a compromise and there´s no better or worse.

High frets: better sound, you dont have to be so precise (play so close to the frets) left hand wise. Higher frets are slower.

Low frets. Faster, a more muddy sound and you have to finger closer to the frets in order to produce a good sound.

There´s a reason why standard frets (around 0,9 - 1mm high) are standard. Its a very good compromise.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2009 1:40:12
 
GuitarVlog

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Anders Eliasson
High frets: better sound, you dont have to be so precise (play so close to the frets) left hand wise. Higher frets are slower.


Understand this one:

  • you dont have to be so precise (play so close to the frets)

Can someone explain these two?

  • better sound
  • Higher frets are slower


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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 11 2009 6:46:02
 
avimuno

 

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
Thanks a lot for the replies guys... I might try to grind the frets down just a bit on my Sanchis 1F, see how fast I can get the action to!
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Anders Eliasson

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
quote:

Can someone explain these two?


* better sound
* Higher frets are slower


Better breakangle over fret means more downpressure over fret means less moving over fret, means better sound.

Higher frets are more "bumpy" and the distance to the fingerboard are bigger.

Avimuno, prepare yourself for a refret work. Speed can be obtained by practice and the Sanchiz guitars I have tried have relatively low frets already.

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  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date May 12 2009 0:46:17
 
GuitarVlog

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RE: Should new fret be grinded to be... (in reply to avimuno) 
Thanks Anders! Very much appreciated.

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