RE: My young student Roberto

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to DonS)

Don,

I have read/heard (can't remember) that Canizares was Paco's favorite as a guitar player. I think he admired his playing and originality and the ideas he brings to Flamenco.

TK

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

Cañizares is a very special musician and gave little Roberto some great compliments and tips. He is one my favs too. I remember some friends who hang out all night with him here in SF after a Paco show that said he played all night accompanying Duquende without playing a single falseta. Imagine..... a guy with ALL those chops and ideas, who knows when to use them and when to lay back and just accompany for the sake of the party. I wish I had been there to see it.

J

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

jason, what kind of cajon is that?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 15:37:19

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to at_leo_87)

Schlagwerk, La Peru.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 19:02:15

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

Don't worry about the grunting sounds. Sometimes I dribble when I play.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 22:46:53

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

Try wearing some socks on your hands, that'll quiet the cajon down
a bit

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 17 2009 23:30:03

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

quote:

The recording industry has offered some advantages to the world, but it has done much damage to flamenco as well. Recording offers a means of packaging and selling something intangible. I have mixed feelings about recording myself and I own a studio.

I hardly ever hear people say things like that.
I think the recording industry has just about killed the idea of creativity in music.
My musician pals think I'm a freak for saying things like that.
I take it to a fairly extreme point though.

Happy to see someone else has misgivings about the concept of recording.
KenK

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 9:27:09

DonS

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

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ORIGINAL: tk

Don,

I have read/heard (can't remember) that Canizares was Paco's favorite as a guitar player. I think he admired his playing and originality and the ideas he brings to Flamenco.

TK

I've read that somewhere as well. Juan Diego Mateos told me the same thing when he asked PdL whose playing he liked the most. If I can recall correctly PdL said "If Cañi had better rhythm he would be the best flamenco guitarist in the world period" can you imagine saying Cañizares doesn't have good rhythm?

but I guess El Maestro can make that judgement since Cañi played together with him for a very long time. He is one of those incredible musicians to me.. his originality, ideas and technique are just out of this world..he makes it look so easy too when you see him live. A very humble musician..he and his wife Mariko are nice people.

this is one of my faves..poquito por buleria at 2:45 wow:

this Tangos is off the chains too:

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 9:44:47

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

Nice playing and sound. I like this Vicente bulerias a lot and play it also myself. If Roberto sticks to flamenco, he will become a great player.
Sad that the guitar was hidden most of the time behind to cajon. Anyway. Thanks for sharing. I hope you asked Roberto for his permission.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 13:51:31

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to JasonMcGuire)

ARGGGG! I was there that night (the club on mission st. that Grillo ran?) but left before they came over. Too much beer and work the next day. It was one of those things-people saying "is Paco really coming??" I gave up and missed it. I really like Canizares first record but have to admit his duo concert in SF left me unsatisfied except when he was playing stuff from that record. Maybe it was the venue-not good sound or good seats.

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ORIGINAL: JasonMcGuire

Cañizares is a very special musician and gave little Roberto some great compliments and tips. He is one my favs too. I remember some friends who hang out all night with him here in SF after a Paco show that said he played all night accompanying Duquende without playing a single falseta. Imagine..... a guy with ALL those chops and ideas, who knows when to use them and when to lay back and just accompany for the sake of the party. I wish I had been there to see it.

J

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 18 2009 14:05:55

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

I am a bad person.. (u_u) Seriously I am totally jealous on Roberto. When I was in the same age as he is now, I played only classics and I played very bad... He already plays Vicente stuff at that age.. Thats crazy. I hope he gets it somehow that he has talent and dont waste it. Well... maybe he has also talents in things where you can earn more money.. (But let us don't hope that ;.) )

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2009 3:15:57

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

yeah, i admit that i was a bit jealous too.

but how well he plays and the POTENTIAL he has is just too damn cool!

i wish i started flamenco that young... oh well!!!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 19 2009 16:16:10

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to at_leo_87)

In yesterdays lesson we worked on a guitar duet. This is still very rough and I am not finished arranging the 2nd guitar part. The audio is a little rough. The camera mic isn't so wonderful.
http://www.flamenco-lessons.com/RobertoJasonPaisaje.mov

Roberto still needs to work on a few things in the Vicente Amigo bulerias, so I will wait a bit before posting a new version of that.

Also, Roberto will be performing my Rondeña accompanying my wife Yaelisa dancing next month here in SF. It will be his first performance with a dancer.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2009 11:44:08

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

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It will be his first performance with a dancer.

Thats nice. You integrate him. Thats great. But be sure he can do it. I remember a gig of Moraito which I saw during the bienal in Sevilla some years ago. Half of the show some ugly fat little kids were dancing bulerias very badly. I was so ****ing pissed off...
And why do they put such lame kids on stage?
Answer: To be able to tell in future "I already danced in the company of XY at the bienal when I was 1 year old".
I was really disappointed this time and of course don't trust any curriculum vitae of any artist anymore. 50% fake pimping is always included...
Roberto is really good for his age. I just know his playing from the 2 videos you showed us. You know him much better and can decide better which his level is.
Well,.. its always the same... kids and puppy animals... Just watch a "funny homevideo-show" in TV. Everybody without exception loves to see puppys and kids...
I mean something like that:
If that would have been me, I am sure I would have been beaten to the ground faster than ... than.. something.. :.D

eeh.. sorry that I write such dorky things... But I want to be serious and it is as I wrote before in this thread. I am jealous on Roberto. He is gifted as it looks like and gets pushed by a great guitarist. I learned all by myself and most of the time the people told me that its completely crap what I was playing... .

If Roberto sticks to guitar, I wish him all the best and much luck and success.
Sorry for being so ****ing jealous..

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2009 11:57:13

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to Doitsujin)

He can handle it with work and besides, we aren't going to "Carnegie Hall" anytime soon. We have plenty of time to refine his playing....

There is a huge difference in Roberto and "ugly fat kids dancing por bulerias", but I have no problem with kids dancing whether or not they are fat, skinny, out of compas or whatever. Kids are wonderful.... all of them. We wouldn't have much trouble "pimping" out Roberto if we wanted to... His dad turned down an appearance on the Ellen Degeneres show recently.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2009 12:53:13

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to tk)

Great playing! I think he is doing great and it is great to see him pushing it doing advanced things. Only thing for me is he needs to work more on the compas strumming in general, his strumming technique needs more work IMO than his arps and falsetas etc.

Anyway, about note for note, I agree it is fine and sometimes necessary to do your own thing, so long as you are honest with yourself about it. ARe you just doing it your own way cuz you like that way, or are you "dumbing it down" for the sake of comfort? For performance everyone is right you have to have something come out smooth and comfortable...but for learning it is also important to focus on details whatever they are. I for one admit to changing things all the time, but I am able to admit that it is "cheating", regardless if I stick to my way out of laziness or whatever. Usually when I sit down and do the "note for note" thing, I end up learning something new and cool that becomes part of my style anyway....but it takes lots of discipline to ALWAYS do that like Ramzi seems to want it. EVEN PDL got lazy learning Impetu and did his own licks in it, although, some of his "easier" licks are harder than the orginal!

Anyway, about recording. I think LIVE recording is amazingly important and a great way to document music...much better than scores for example. The thing that has both harmed AND HELPED creativity is the ease of digital editing. It on the one hand, allows artistists to create music from disconnected pieces in the studio, and on the other hand, lets the performer not worry about perfect technique performance. I think recording LIVE in the studio or elsewhere is ideal and truly represnts a persons playing. But it is a shame when a player does not have the ability to bring his creative ideas to fruition. We all must work hard especially as guitar players IMO, and not become to reliant on technology.

Anyway keep it up Roberto!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2009 14:19:46

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RE: My young student Roberto (in reply to Ricardo)

I totally agree Ricardo. Compas and strumming are a little tough when you don't have nails. We are working on that and many other things each week. Haven't you noticed the pattern with most students..... It is their playing of compas that gives away the fact that they are "students". Compas takes the longest to learn and is a mark of maturity.....

I hope we didn't "dumb down" Vicente's bulerias too much...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Apr. 23 2009 15:11:50