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Joined: Oct. 29 2006
From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest
RE: Nice video of Tomate por buleria (in reply to ddk)
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How about that transition from Tangos into Bularias about 5:50?
Yep. I didn’t even catch it at first. At some point I had a “hey, wait a minute” moment and had to rewind.
So, to those of you who know how this stuff works: how does this work?
He starts that buleias falseta just as the last line of cante is finishing up. It seems like the palmas trips up a bit before they catch on and switch over to bulerias. Who’s leading the change from tangos to bulerias here? Did the cantaor signal something? Did Tomatito just go for it on his own initiative? Was this a “planned” tangos/bulerias? The change over is so quick that it doesn’t seem like there would be time for them to collectively make that change on the spot……
Afterthought: Seems like, when two palos are played together in a single performance, there’s usually a bit of “downtime” between the transition. A compas or two of strumming before switching gears. Maybe this isn’t actually the case?
This is the sort of stuff that’s definitely over my head, but it also tends to be the stuff that I’m increasingly curious about……
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Joined: Aug. 9 2006
From: Iran (living in Germany)
RE: Nice video of Tomate por buleria (in reply to DonS)
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ORIGINAL: DonS
Nice angle shot - is it just me or is he getting younger & younger looking! must be the shorter hair do:
I was thinking the same thing few days ago. I have a Documentary DVD about Paco which is from 2003. Tomatito also appears in this DVD and makes some comments about Paco, etc. . In this Video Tomatito is Fat, has bad stressed skin and looks about 20 years older than the video you posted.
I don't know what happened and what he is doing (maybe sport) but he looks younger and younger in each video i see him.
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
RE: Nice video of Tomate por buleria (in reply to srshea)
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ORIGINAL: srshea
quote:
How about that transition from Tangos into Bularias about 5:50?
Yep. I didn’t even catch it at first. At some point I had a “hey, wait a minute” moment and had to rewind.
So, to those of you who know how this stuff works: how does this work?
He starts that buleias falseta just as the last line of cante is finishing up. It seems like the palmas trips up a bit before they catch on and switch over to bulerias. Who’s leading the change from tangos to bulerias here? Did the cantaor signal something? Did Tomatito just go for it on his own initiative? Was this a “planned” tangos/bulerias? The change over is so quick that it doesn’t seem like there would be time for them to collectively make that change on the spot……
Afterthought: Seems like, when two palos are played together in a single performance, there’s usually a bit of “downtime” between the transition. A compas or two of strumming before switching gears. Maybe this isn’t actually the case?
This is the sort of stuff that’s definitely over my head, but it also tends to be the stuff that I’m increasingly curious about……
The estribilo of the singer (the repeated chorus) has a triplet feel. Triplets in Tangos, 3X4 beats equal the 12 divisions of bulerias (half compas) so it is a smooth transition mathematically. The subdivision holds, just the accent or beat feeling shifts from 3's to 2's. It is pretty common now a days.
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