Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book

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Barrozo

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Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book

I've been looking for a Paco de Lucia's score book and I found one with transcriptions done by Jorge Berges.

Does anyone here have it? And if does, is it accurate?

Thanks.

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Arash

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From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

Well there are many transcriptions from Alain Faucher, Claude Worms, Juan Manuel Canizares, Jorge Berges, Enrique Vargas....

And it depends also which pieces you want to have.

There are some official transcriptions and i think the one you mean is
Paco de Lucía - La Fabulosa Guitarra transcripted by Jorge Berges.

Yes its good and as far as i know, its from Pacos own company and Paco de Lucia himself corrected the transcriptions (if there was a need to do that).
So its good.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 5 2009 4:37:04

Doitsujin

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RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

Is there a usefull transcription of the two bulerias from Luzia? These are IMO definetely the nicest ones. Why arent there any transcriptions? I would buy them immediately.

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Arash

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RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

If you mean "Rio de la Miel", i have some Notes, but i dont know from whom it is.
It is like this (this is the first page) - total 17 pages

And i have GP4 File for the first part of it. (Tremolo part and first falseta)

If you want them, pm!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 5 2009 6:12:18

Arash

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From: Iran (living in Germany)

RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

btw., i think Peter Wirth from Germany wanted to tab this piece. Dont know if he has done it.
You can contact him through youtube or something.

And i think Tarkan has also transcriped this piece.

http://www.tarkancallioglu.com/eng.htm

Click on "Works" and it is mentioned in the transcriptions.
You may want to contact him

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 5 2009 6:40:45

Doitsujin

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RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

Thank you for the links!
Yes I also have the first part of it but I want the whole piece :./ I thought about a good transcription in the style of Faucher. For free if possible...

And of course tabulature... It would take too much time to read the notes... you know... Im very lazy... Its just enough to throw an eyeball on a good tabulature...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 5 2009 9:35:46

Arash

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RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

Yes, i have also problem with Notes (so never tried this one which i have

).......

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 5 2009 11:10:14

Ricardo

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From: Washington DC

RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

The first book of Paco, La fabulosa, saddly, is not so great. Lots of mistakes throughout and not a complete score. They mixed 4 tunes from Fab, and 4 from Duende.

The second book, Fantasia, is MUCH improved and accurate. Maybe not %100 but good enough to follow the complete album and get reasonably close fingerings.

The third book is probably the best, transcribed by Canizares, Fuente y Caudal. Dead on, I have not seen any mistakes so far...

The 4th book Almoraima I don't know I have not seen it so can't say....if it is the same guy that did Viejin's book, I did notice some errors in the viejin book. But again I need to check it out first.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 6 2009 8:26:33

Tenshu

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Joined: Oct. 18 2003
From: Belgium

RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Ricardo)

Does someone have the tab for 'el chorruelo', the second buleria from Luzia?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 7 2009 2:29:14

Doitsujin

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RE: Doubt: Paco de Lucia Scores Book (in reply to Barrozo)

Yes, I think when they publish transcriptions in book which are expensive (like the books from Enrique Vargas), they should be correct.

Especially the books of vargas pissed me of a bit. He inserted a sloppy hand smeared comment of Tomatito in the Volume 1 where Tomatito writes: I checked all the transcriptions personally and they are correct.

Thats a bad lie. I found mistakes over and over in this book. Not only the fingering. Also the rythm when the notes are played and many accents are shifted that they dont make much sense anymore. The tabulature-note-necks differs sometimes from the notes above the tabulature... Why that? Because its very sloppy worked out. If you post such a handwritten comment in the book... it should be correct IMO.. Its unbelievable IMO.
The bulerias is so worse transcribed (as the solea) that its completely impossible to learn just a single falseta without hearing the audio in slow motion beside of correcting all the mistakes of Vargas. Well.. in the end Im happy that a person started to transcribe really interesting stuff, but he should make it much better in following books.
I read that he has a phd in music... but I could transcribe the pieces better than him and I don't have a phd in music.
There was a thread in the flamenco teacher forum when this forum here moved. There several people already mentioned the weaknesses of Vargas´s book. There a person posted a poll who had contact to vargas. I hope he seriously told vargas the opinions about his books...

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 7 2009 4:48:54