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NormanKliman
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 RE: video Salmerón-Núnez at Duende (in reply to Matic)
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Hi everyone, glad to hear you're enjoying these videos! Plenty of room for commentary, if anyone has anything to point out or ask. The videos are only up for a few weeks at a time, anyway, in case anyone's afraid of "going on record" or anything like that. I was hoping that someone would give us a description of the different cantes and how they all fit together to make "an alegrías." Or maybe point out where some of Pepe's falsetas are from. I know he plays a lot of Gerardo, Vicente, etc.
Aisla, I always had that same sensation. I'd given up on trying to find the real thing in Madrid (no theater, no mic and not just whiny tangos and bulerías all night, only sometimes a compás). I heard about the peña but it took me over a year to find it. From the first night, I was hooked! What still suprises me is that it's one of very few places in Madrid offering the real thing, as described above, but also in terms of how often they schedule performances and exactly who's going to get up there to sing (they hire professionals and never let audience members sing, unless he or she is a well-known artist). In addition to all of that, the house guitarist Pepe Núñez is really good at what he does, so it was like the answer to my prayers when I finally found the place. I've heard people criticize the peña, saying that it's Madrid flamenco, or that the entrance fee they charge (no drinks included) has nothing to do with the spirit of a peña. Most Spaniards who haven't been there just assume that the singer is whoever happens to be drunk enough to give it try. So it hardly gets the recognition that it deserves, IMO.
A couple of anecdotes to give you an idea of the quick reflexes of Pepe the guitarist: One night, the peña was packed with people. There wasn't even room for an afterthought!  Somebody introduced the singer, the audience quieted down, and just a fraction of a second before they launched into the first cante, somebody accidentally bumped into and switched on the peña's CD player, which started playing some really loud bulerías. Before anyone had fully realized what had happened, Pepe shouted out to some imaginary accomplice at the back of the peña: "Come on, I told you it's got to be in synch!"
On another occasion, I bought a guitar and took it in to get Pepe's opinion. It was early in the evening, and it was just the two of us in the office of the peña. He played it and looked it over, pointing out a few details that confirmed his opinion that it was a well-made guitar. He handed it back to me, saying that he liked it a lot. In this time, people were starting to arrive and the office was now filled with people. The guitar was in its case and we were talking about other things. Now and then someone would ask if I was going to play, and I explained that I'd just brought it in to get Pepe's opinion. A while later, when I got up to put the guitar in a safe place, Pepe called out to me as I was going through the door. Everyone stopped talking to listen to him. He got a very sad look on his face and said, "That's a real shame about the guitar..."
Talk about an inside joke... 
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Date Jan. 30 2009 3:53:43
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Matic
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RE: video Salmerón-Núnez at Duende (in reply to NormanKliman)
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Plenty of room for commentary, if anyone has anything to point out or ask. The videos are only up for a few weeks at a time, anyway, in case anyone's afraid of "going on record" or anything like that. I was hoping that someone would give us a description of the different cantes and how they all fit together to make "an alegrías." Or maybe point out where some of Pepe's falsetas are from. I know he plays a lot of Gerardo, Vicente, etc.
Well, I always feel so stupid. I feel like I have SO MUCH to ask just don't know how and what.
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About halfway through, he sings the romera "Debajo de los laureles" with the same intonation as Chaqueta, the guy who made the important recording of this style back in the late 50s.
See what I mean?! 
How does one gain the kind of knowledge you, Norman, are coming up with? At the moment I see one answer: Learn to sing. Do you sing, Norman?
(Nice anecdotes! I don't get the last one but nothing new about that)
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Date Jan. 30 2009 13:05:57
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NormanKliman
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RE: video Salmerón-Núnez at Duende (in reply to Matic)
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Hi Matic,
Ask away (and don't feel stupid). I know there are other forum members who could point out some of these things. I think it's interesting, but I don't want to sound like a know-it-all or something. About that romera in particular, it's the same letra and everything, and Chaqueta had a really unusual voice, so once you've heard that, it's easy to recognize.
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Do you sing, Norman?
I try to, but I usually can't do it with a strong compás. I think trying to sing helps a lot, and it's fun when it does come out! The first step is memorizing a letra all the way through, then being able to hear it sung in your head.
Exitao, I meant several different things like times, distances... But if you want, I can tell you where to go, too...
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Date Jan. 30 2009 14:20:16
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srshea
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From: Olympia, WA in the Great Pacific Northwest
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RE: video Salmerón-Núnez at Duende (in reply to NormanKliman)
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Norman,
Man, you should definitely not worry about coming off as a know it all. I can’t imagine that anyone around here would think that, and if they did, it would certainly be their own problem.
For those of us who are at the early stages of learning about all this stuff, who are just beginning to get the hang of hearing the details in cante and making connections between singers and recordings, having specific things pointed out at the get go is really helpful. It gives us something tangible to try to parse out and make sense of and ask further questions about. And for me, the more details, the more things that are pointed out and cited as something to listen for, the easier it is to approach a piece of music as something to listen to actively, rather than just sitting back and letting it wash over me with out learning anything from the experience. Ultimately, all the really important understanding and learning comes from the direct work of the listener, and strictly between the listener and the artist, but that initial, third-party assistance can be really invaluable for getting there sooner. Blah, blah, listen to me talk….
Anyway, have at it, and don’t be shy about it!
The clips that Matic uploaded were helpful. It actually took me three listens of the Salmeron video before I finally caught the Chaqueta bit….
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