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mark indigo
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 RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to Exitao)
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Is that what people are paying craploads of money for? With no proper notation included?
you mean those little black dot things? who needs 'em?! 
these are good transcriptions, and yeah, they are in tab only, but with time values on the tab, which is usually the criticism dot readers make of tab.
Having compared the "official" Paco transcriptions (by Jorge Berges) of Barrio La Viña and De Madrugada with the Faucher tabs, studied the recordings closely and learnt both pieces, IMO the Faucher tabs are way way better, the "official" ones are sometimes plain wrong in pitch and often dead wrong in time values, and the Faucher tabs are much much closer. Paco should of had Faucher do his transcriptions. (The Fuente Y Caudal book transcribed by Cañizares is spot on though)
Deniz is right, quote:
it IS good notation If you read ok it's obvious what that rest meant in the sample of El Cobre.
Here's an odd thing though, Faucher no longer advertises PDL tabs on his website, anyone know why not? He still sells them "under the counter" if you ask for them. And whats with the "not for sale only free if you buy 3 others"? Is that purely to get us to buy more tabs and save his ass from bankruptcy, or is it legal pressure or something?
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Date Oct. 2 2008 13:34:14
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henrym3483
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to mark indigo)
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If you read ok it's obvious what that rest meant in the sample of El Cobre.
Here's an odd thing though, Faucher no longer advertises PDL tabs on his website, anyone know why not? He still sells them "under the counter" if you ask for them. And whats with the "not for sale only free if you buy 3 others"? Is that purely to get us to buy more tabs and save his ass from bankruptcy, or is it legal pressure or something?
AFAIK, paco complained about royalties for the transcriptions and about the accuracy, gestion de lucia now approves the "official" copies. as well as other artists.
i bought three books from faucher (solea por bul anthology, tomatito, and moraito) as you get more bang ie 6 to 7 pieces for the a smaller price to the tabs, that being said his website has the most extensive selection of flamenco material for guitarists on the web, and im looking forward to his next book by rafael riqueni. you can pretty much get whatever you want on the site, unless its really obscure, the only thing i dont like is that i would prefer the he provided cds instead of cassettes.
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Date Oct. 2 2008 13:57:36
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Exitao
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to michall)
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Frankly, I can't read sheet very well. Definitely can't make those "dots" line up with anything on my fretboard. However, for certain instructions, particularly tempo, I do like seeing those dots.
Maybe I'm spoiled with guitar pro and other apps displaying both notation and tabs. My teacher (an actual music teacher qualified and graded by a conservatory, blah blah blah), actually uses Sibelius to prepare his lessons and the notation and tab is great (I think he does it to get the new student hooked by making him/her feel as musical as possible as quickly as possible before loading on the migraine material).
But for the price, I expect "professional transcripts" to have both. My reading skills aren't good enough to read those hen scratchings of Faucher's. The fact that his scratchings are a hybrid of tab and notation make things worse for me. I'm also fairly sure that if it had been written with a transcription app that displayed tab and notation, the question that inspired this thread would not have needed asking. Because it wouldn't have been so idiosyncratic, and it would have been easier to look up the pure notation, or the modern tab would have expressed it, or comparing the pure notation to the tab would have allowed the reader/original poster, to figure it out.
Just my ever-so-humble opinion. I've DL'ed a fair bit of Faucher, but it's sitting somewhere waiting for the day when I understand enough general music/flamenco to revisit it, and then enter it into an app like GP, Sib or Finale. And then post it everywhere on the net available for any pirate musical enough to whistle yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. Partly for the points Henry makes above, partly out of revenge for being so illegible and partly because I like information anarchy. But mainly for revenge.
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Date Oct. 2 2008 14:34:20
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mark indigo
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to Exitao)
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My reading skills aren't good enough to read those hen scratchings of Faucher's. The fact that his scratchings are a hybrid of tab and notation make things worse for me.
He's not the only one to mix tab with standard notation time values. I first came across writing like this in a guitar mag - transcriptions of Paco Serrano by Paul Magnussen I think - and found it a perfect best of both worlds solution. If I write tab myself I do it that way. It means you get more music on the page, as you don't have to have 2 lines of music for each line of music. It saves a hell of a lot of time not having to write dots as well. And above all, you don't have to look between 2 lines of notation to put the time values from the dots above with the tab below! Works for me anyway. I wish more people would do it that way. And by the way, in case you didn't know, Faucher's books all have the double dot/tab system, and I wish they didn't!
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I've DL'ed a fair bit of Faucher, but it's sitting somewhere waiting for the day when I understand enough general music/flamenco to revisit it, and then enter it into an app like GP, Sib or Finale. And then post it everywhere on the net available for any pirate musical enough to whistle yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. Partly for the points Henry makes above, partly out of revenge for being so illegible and partly because I like information anarchy. But mainly for revenge.
If you download Faucher tabs off the net they are scanned by someone first, usually after they have dog-eared it to hell learning the piece from it, and usually after they photocopied it from a friend in the first place, who had dog-eared to hell their original copy learning the piece from it... all of which tends to make the stuff you download illegible. ALL the tabs (and I mean ALL of them) I have bought direct from Faucher have been absolutely totally legible and easy to read and understand.
IMO Fauchertabs are the best flamenco transcriptions available, and I'm all for freedom of information, but not if it puts the guy out of business and he stops doing new tabs and offering them for sale - that would be like killing the goose that laid golden eggs....
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Date Oct. 3 2008 6:54:19
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Exitao
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From: Vancouver, Canada
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to michall)
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Maybe you guys are right. All I know is that there's stuff I can't read and when I can compare the tab to the notation, it just makes it easier to figure out.
I was just venting about the free-ing of the tabs. I'd guard them jealously and maybe only share them with people who had stuff to trade or shared their rapidshare login with me. 
Yes, tab is very useful for fingering and &c. There were even classical composers who did as much for certain instruments.
And while you guys say that you might tab the same way, that's a matter of personal preference and I just expect proper notation and tab with a commercial product ($30 for a transcription?). After all, there are Guitar Pr, Powertab and Tef sites out there which offer both, for free, and also from some decent tabbers.
Pimientito, you're more than just a tabber. I can use a tabbing app to transfer notation to tab. You're listening and transcribing... but to tab. But really, how long would it take you to take one of Faucher's transcriptions and plug it into Sibelius or just Guitar Pro? So why couldn't he?
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Date Oct. 3 2008 12:16:32
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mark indigo
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to Exitao)
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I just expect proper notation and tab with a commercial product ($30 for a transcription?). After all, there are Guitar Pr, Powertab and Tef sites out there which offer both, for free, and also from some decent tabbers.
I take your point about why doesn't he use a decent programme to produce his tabs (and like I said, his books have both and properly printed etc.). I guess he started doing this back in the seventies or eighties and hasn't upgraded yet... Handwritten is ok though, as long as it's neat, which his is, in my experience.
And as for the price, it used to be about 10 Francs/Euros per tab and what he's done is put the price for a single tab up to 20 Euros, but if you buy 2 tabs it's 17 Euros each, and if you buy 3 tabs it's 13 Euros each, which is only a price rise of 3 Euros, AND if you buy 3 you get to choose one of his freebie list, so you get 4 tabs for 39 Euros, which actually works out very slightly cheaper than it used to be. His books are better value, 'cos you get 6 tabs for 33/35 Euros.
I guess a while back he was the only guy doing this and it seemed reasonably priced, and now there are a whole lot more people producing books, and they work out cheaper, but the books of Tomatito's Paseo De Castaños, Pepe Habichuela's Yerbaguena, El Viejín's Algo Que Decir, and Rafael Riqueni's Alcazar De Cristal are nearly 40 Euro's, and some only have 3 pieces in, so that's no more expensive than Faucher's buy 3 tabs get one free deal.
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Date Oct. 3 2008 13:33:11
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mark indigo
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to Exitao)
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Hmmmph. Well I guess that's all right then.
hey exitao, i just checked the list of buy 3 get one free freebie's on faucher's website, and it's a small list, and i don't actually want many of them, which means the buy 3 get one free deal is not actually worth that much, so i changed my mind, i agree with you, the tabs are too expensive, maybe we could start a petition and get him to do buy 3 get one free chosen from the whole catalogue.
i often wonder too how he chooses which pieces to transcribe, there's often only a few pieces from any one album. and i guess the reason there are so many tabs from deleted lp's is 'cos he made them before cd's were around... it's weird, there are tabs from manolo sanlucar albums that don't seem to actually exist....
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Date Oct. 20 2008 7:13:22
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mark indigo
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RE: Fauchers Transcriptions (in reply to Florian)
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so what does anyone think of that sonofman guy posting a whole bunch of pacotabs on the net? on the one hand it's bad for faucher, 'cos his work is up there for free, but on the other hand, he's been prevented from advertising pacotabs for sale, and that site was "dedicated to the work of alain faucher'" or something...
it's a real shame that paco made him stop advertising pacotabs, 'cos he had transcribed nearly everything up to and including siroco, i saw his catalogue before he had to take it all down, this huge list of them, must have been half his catalogue, and if the problem was accuracy, the fauchertabs are better than any in the fabulosa guitarra book.... they should have come to some deal and faucher should have been the official paco tabber. mind you, the canizares ones are good, i haven't seen the almoraima book, anyone?
i checked the archives here and there was an interesting discussion a while ago about faucher basically ripping off the artists by infringing copyright, selling tabs of their work without giving them royalties etc. vs posting fauchertabs on the net and putting the guy out of business etc.
anyway, whatever the moral maze of copyright, tabbing, sharing, etc. i agree with flo, the guy is a virtuoso transcriber, the maestro of tab (el monstruo de cifra?) a total hero!
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Date Oct. 22 2008 13:14:02
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Well I guess that's all right then. 
its almost unfair competition 
noone changes overnight