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Advice on Choice of Bulerias
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Florian
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From: Adelaide/Australia
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RE: Advice on Choice of Bulerias (in reply to deyo)
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and the compas is not very strict I think I think i know what you mean, its not that its not strict is just not as well rounded as you would play buleria today, dosent have the bounce or the strumming dosent fill the compas as much as it does our days. This is not beeing disrespectfull i dont think, its facts, its just a pretty honest (according to me) look at how the flamenco guitar has evolved. Obviously you wouldnt compare a car made in the 40s to one made our days. If Paco was to rerecord that today ofcourse the rithm would be spectacular, as i am sure this was for that time. rithm has changed alot since then, And Ron ( you dobber inner ) thats also the main reason i dont listen to Sabicas, cause the rithm in the buleria dosent have the bounce and rounded feel, i like and look for in a buleria (and also the quality of the recordings and sound of the guitars). I respect it all .. just dont rush home to put it on. To me a good buleria makes you wanna dance and do palmas, and bounce on your chair. While i enjoy the virtouosity of both Sabicas and this peticular Paco buleria, it dosent affect me the same way. back in the day it seems like they were all in a great hurry to finish the song and run to the shops or something cause buleria was played ridiculously fast, sacrificing the rithm. (not so much Paco cause he was at the top of the game) I have so many major released compolation great old cante cds with great singers with and the way the guitar is played and rithm ruins it for me. and so often the rasqueados and compas arent even rounded off evenly. it fustrates me. Bogdan any of the Moraito bulerias would do perfectly for what you are looking for. even the ones that arent transcribed, are quite eazy to transcribe yourself. just personal opinion
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Date Feb. 12 2008 15:11:24
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Bogdan1980
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From: Frederick, MD
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RE: Advice on Choice of Bulerias (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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Paco's stuff has too much variability in it. It is in compas but it's not strictly theoretical if that makes sense. I play Barrio La Vina for example, if you try to fit it into classic 12 count alegrias it's a mess. Things end and start athalf compas, a lot of pauses where there is supposed to be an accent etc. In other words, Paco's bulerias have too much liberty; he's so in sync with compas he can allow freedom. Clearly, it would not be a good way to understand bulerias compas, that's why I aksed for something more streightforward. Difficulty of falsetas are not really that much of an issue, I'm trying to stay away from complex syncopated rhythms and find something that adheres to your usual 12 cound with accents on 3,6,8,10,12. Hope this clarifies.
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Date Feb. 13 2008 2:00:21
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TANúñez
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From: TEXAS
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RE: Advice on Choice of Bulerias (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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Bogdan, A lot of us just learn many different falsetas and put them together with different compas patterns. There is nothing wrong with learning a complete piece though. I don't know what your skill level is but the Vol.II of the Graf-Martinez flamenco methods have a nice little section on Bulerias compas alone. A lot of good info. Bulerias is/was tough for me as it is for many. Solea is pretty straight forward. Starting on 1 and accenting on 3,6,8,10 and 12. You can stick to learning a Bulerias with this same structure. There's a lot of ways to play it but since your familiar with the Solea/Alegrias structure, why not do a Bulerias in the same way for now since your familiar with it? Then later, move to a different way of playing it. It could also be that your not really ready for Bulerias yet which is why your not able to see things clearly. I had to listen to a lot of it, and I mean a lot of it. Especially with the cante. I then begin to hear and notice little things that weren't evident early on. Once I started experiencing this, it made it easier. I'm still no pro at Bulerias but I'm making progress. Now, my way of doing things is not "THE" only way. My teacher had me start off with Solea. Other's teach Bulerias first. Some say if you can play Bulerias, you can play anything. I think an excellent method if you don't already have it is Encuentro's Merengue de Cordoba. A lot of tradional palos including Bulerias are covered. Nothing fancy. Pretty traditional stuff but not boring.
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Date Feb. 13 2008 6:42:27
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Mark2
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From: San Francisco
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RE: Advice on Choice of Bulerias (in reply to Bogdan1980)
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A capo is optional unless your playing for a singer. Even then, there are a few options. Patrick has offered excellent advice. For a guitarist already versed in other styles, it may seem redundant and boring to focus on seemingly small details when the whole piece seems to be within your grasp, but like Patrick said, the result will leave a lot to be desired, particularly in bulerias. Once you decide to learn a piece, your best bet would be to have a transcription and the recording, with a way to slow down the recording. Vids are great too. quote:
ORIGINAL: Bogdan1980 Now that I know what to go for, are there transcriptions availbale or does one rely on video and learn from it? Another question, I read that bulerias are mostly if not always played with a capo to make the sound more vibrant. Is that true? Shoot, for some reason Solea is so much clearer (as far as compas) than bulerias. The strumming patterns absolutely make no sense...
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Date Feb. 13 2008 9:20:14
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