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sara

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Joined: Oct. 12 2006
From: California

I need help

Does anyone have some tips on really getting the three stroke rasgueado down so it sounds sharp and even (using P and m or P and i or whatever else?)

Thanks!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 1:56:11

ChiyoDad

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From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

I'm assuming this is a-m-i.

I built my 3-finger rasgueado after developing my 4-finger one. I followed the guidance in Gerhard Graf-Martinez's method (Vol. 1) (hyperlink to Overstock.com) and build the tension behind the thumb rather than in the palm. His DVD illustrates it better than I can explain it.

I execute it slowly during practice so I can check that check whether the volume and spacing between each finger is even.

When I'm not at my guitar, I practice 3 and 4-finger rasgueados against my thigh.

Not sure if that information helps.

It did take me a couple of weeks to make my rasgueo sound good.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 4:10:06

duende

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

well it helps to know what rasgueados you want? a P m P is very diffrent from a
a m i or p a i.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 4:55:50

sara

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From: California

RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

henrik,

both of them. right now i'm more interested in P m P
but i've seen P m i and would like to learn that one, too.

seems that no matter how slow i go, it never sounds even.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 5:16:07

ChiyoDad

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

Ah, you mean then?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 5:25:02

sara

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

that's the one!
even that one sounds uneven. is that just how it is?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 5:30:42

ChiyoDad

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sara
even that one sounds uneven. is that just how it is?

I haven't yet used that method. Perhaps someone else on the foro is more experienced with it?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 18:09:28

henrym3483

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From: Limerick,Ireland

RE: I need help (in reply to ChiyoDad)

quote:

that's the one!
even that one sounds uneven. is that just how it is?

sara thats the juan maya marote stroke, im struggling with it as well, it really involve the whole arm and wrist to get whip into it.gerardo nunez's video section on rasqueado explains it quite well.

i get around it by doing ie its a triple stroke but dos'nt have the same bite.

up p

down a

down i

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 18:20:26

Pimientito

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

Hey Sara
It sounds uneven in that the upstroke with the thumb is louder than the two downstrokes. This accents the triplet. You should try to get all the strokes the same distance apart. It feels un natural to start with. Start slowly like in the video. It will not happen overnight. Get a comfortable even pace before trying to go fast.
Remember to always finish your Pmp rasgeo on an extra upstroke with the thumb
so one triplet would be P(up) m, p, P(up)
two together would be P(up) m, p, P, m, p, P(up)
and three P(up) m, p, P, m, p, P, m, p, P(up)
This rasgeo is often used to accompany dancers because its the strongest. Some of the others p,a,m,i,i and i,i,a etc. give you a more even sound for solo work. Dont worry too much about that yet. If you can get a nice strong and even Pmp, it will serve you very well and you can perfect some of the other trickier ones later.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 18:32:36

sara

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

ok, thanks guys.

i wasn't sure about the accent on the upstroke P, so thanks for clarifying that.

also,

should i be doing this using my wrist more than anything else?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 20:40:02

HemeolaMan

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

to even up your p m p, you can (and I almost always do) use a and m together.

i use a sort of tilted approach too, its not straight on really.

its important to note that you need to have both the free rajeo and the rajeo where you build tension first.

keep your shoulders relaxed...ALWAYS.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 28 2008 20:43:13

Stu

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From: London (the South of it), England

RE: I need help (in reply to HemeolaMan)

quote:

should i be doing this using my wrist more than anything else?

yes you should, the movement should come from the wrist.

nice and slow at first like piminentito says, concentrate on each stroke.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2008 0:16:52

Samarto

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

Maybe this will help.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 29 2008 13:53:06

Ricardo

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RE: I need help (in reply to sara)

eveness and clearity come from metronome practice. Which ever technique you try, to make it sound more uniform, take any and each of the stroke as the beat, or right on the click.

P(up) am P(down) repeat so p up is on the click.

Then practice:
am Pdown P up. so am falls on the click.

then P down falls on the click Pdown P up am down.

Repeat all those until you control the sound at the speed you want, so you can't really hear a difference which stroke is which, just a continuous rhythm is produced.

Keep in mind sometimes you DON"T want them to all sound the same for a reason. Sometime the beat is accented, sometimes the contra beat is accented. Depends on what you want to do with it. But whatever you like, be in control of it.

For these "abanico" strums, you discover that there is a MINIMUM speed at which you can do the technique properly, because the momentum of the wrist moving drives the technique. It depend on which one you are working on, but some of these patterns don't feel the same at 60 bpm vs 160 bpm.

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