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kevinitalien

 

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hello :) What do you think is the th... 
Hello everyone I just received my tables in the Caucasian spruce is she is very beautiful especially 1a has a beautiful grain is tight enough wood is hard enough :)
What is your opinion for the thickness of the table for a flamenco guitar?

it is better to make such a 2.3mm or 2.0mm to a greater gap between the kind has 1.9mm 2.6mm?
What do you think?
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Anders Eliasson

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
The Caucasian Spruce that I´ve worked, I made 2,1 - 2,2mm

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kevinitalien

 

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
thank you for the answer anders I find it beautiful :)
has thought of her that you gave to your guitar?
gives you between 2 mm and 2.3mm was your table?


you think that a guitar between 1.9mm and 2.6mm? What would give her his?
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Andy Culpepper

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KEVIN kevin kevin. First of all it, depends on your piece of wood and the bracing pattern you are using, as well as the top doming. Also, there is no good reason to make that huge of a graduation in the top IMO, especially in a flamenco. The picture you sent me where it's all over the place like 3.0 in one spot and then 2.1 right next to that... forget about that.
My advice given that your spruce is reasonably stiff, is to thickness it to around 2.2-2.3 ALL OVER before bracing. After the guitar is assembled with the back on and the bindings, start tapping and flexing the top and sand until you are satisfied. Most likely a final thickness of somewhere in the 2.0-2.1 range is correct, and maybe 1.9 or so at the edge.
You can make a good guitar with the top thicker in the middle and tapered to just under 2 mm at the edge, but it will probably work better with a more classical setup, and it would be unusual for a flamenco guitar.
Just start building! And good luck!

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kevinitalien

 

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to Andy Culpepper) 
thank you for your reply :) andy
contrevetement then I would like to use yours :) Gerundino inspired because I find the guitar that you did with contrevetement is really a sound quej'aime ...
I hesitate between two contrevetement yours is one of anders has 5brins I like the sound after it's on to be taken into account the thickness of the table ...
and yes the thickness that I had sent was too thick.
I think between 2.0mm to 2.3mm and after you should see the area that varies ..


What do you think is sound if there is a big difference for example a 2.0mm 2.7mm
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kevinitalien

 

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Andy Culpepper

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
Kevin, there's nothing new I can really say except just build the guitar and fix your mistakes on the next one. I would really start with the top about 2.3 mm and brace it. After you get the guitar assembled, you will need to sand the top a bit to get it all even and ready for the bridge, and when you put the bindings on you will end up scraping/sanding some off the edge.
I would also tell you to visit a local luthier and get their input, and watch them doing things. You will learn a lot about the actual process of building a guitar.

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kevinitalien

 

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
ok thank you for your reply :)
I think to 1.9 to 2.4 mm can be. . his will can be better? has your opinion is what is the plan emeilleur between Marcelo Barbero and Santos Hernandez?
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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
Andy, Have you ever tried a guitar with a 2.5/2.0 graduation? If so what were your results?? Also how do you know what the graduation is after you have sanded out the completed box?

Not trying to debate with you just wondering.........
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Andy Culpepper

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
quote:

Andy, Have you ever tried a guitar with a 2.5/2.0 graduation? If so what were your results?? Also how do you know what the graduation is after you have sanded out the completed box?


I have, on my first couple of guitars. They sounded good, dry and raspy, but everyone always asks "are these super hard tension strings?" ... ultimately I decided that a flamenco guitar needs a thin top for a better right hand feel, better golpe sound, more volume, stronger trebles, etc. etc.

I use a Hacklinger gauge to check the thickness of the top after the guitar is assembled. I know Kevin may not have access to one but he probably doesn't need one. The normal sanding/scraping involved in leveling the top and cleaning up the bindings should put him in the right range. If he starts with a top that is already graduated from 2.7 to 1.9 or something like that, he will end up with probably 2.6 to 1.6 or so, which is a little weird in my opinion.

Kevin, I personally haven't tried building to a Barbero or Santos Hernandez pattern, but I've used a 5 fan pattern similar to Sabicas' Barbero but without the slanted harmonic bar. It's a good place to start but I'm sure the Santos is equally good.

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Anders Eliasson

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
I personally think flamenco guitars sound the best with a pretty even soundboard. Just 0,1 - 0,2mm thinner at the edges when finished.. The classicals I make a LITTLE bit thicker in the middle.

The thickness is impossible to say because every piece of wood is different. Kevin is using Kaukasian spruce and every say that its very stiff. I have built 6 or 7 guitars with that wood and I dont find it to be stiffer than good German spruce, so I ended up with around 2,2mm in the middle and 2mm at the edges after assembly and after scraping and sanding down the purfling and bindings.
Thickness in milimeter is just a number. What is important is the feel in your hands and the weight/stiffness ratio. A soundboard with medium stiffness and medium or low weight is what I prefer myself.

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kevinitalien

 

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RE: hello :) What do you think is th... (in reply to kevinitalien) 
First of all thank you for your comments! :)
so yes in fact I had made ​​a plan of the table with several layers above ... 1.9mm to 2.4mm on average a good one sees that the thickness decreases "lol"
I will review its then for the plan I was wondering because the santos hernandez has the same épaiseurs 2.1mm across the table so I ask some question ... Roy Courtnall and he told me he has already made ​​guitars with the same thicknesses and preferred when the thickness varies a bit ..
I think after more Barbero for ...
after I was "afraid" to the thickness of the guitar which varies for example from 2 to 2.2mm and then miss the guitar sound is not balanced or treble agree moin ... after a friend French luthier gave me a plan to follow his perssonelle moin makes me afraid to follow a plan to launch myself you understand?
thank you for your answer here is I ordered the glue a handle cedro easel ... Thursday I go to a cabinetmaker who has veneers of ebony maccassar in rio .. I would like to head in the veneer of ebony macassar ... then there is not that thick veneer of small 0.6mm thickness ... voila the friend D
and I have already drawn the head of guitar I drew two after I do not know which to choose ... I would put pictures may be soon if you want :)
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