Camaron y Ramon

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Jim Opfer

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From: Glasgow, Scotland.

Camaron y Ramon

Found this gem.
http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/flamenco/video/x10e5l_camaron-y-ramon-de-algeciras-tangos

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Mark2

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From: San Francisco

RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Thanks Jim-your right it is a gem.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 0:18:08

ykabban

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RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Camaron es el voz del mundo.
I watched that Camaron movie yesterday. It was mmmm....OK.
I have this clip on Video; it's on one of those archivos de RTVE vids I believe.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 0:44:48

Jim Opfer

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From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to ykabban)

quote:

It was mmmm....OK.

Just I found it really interesting to see/hear Ramon accompany.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 18:04:47

ykabban

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RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Jim Opfer)

Jimbo, I was talking about the movie "CAMARON la pelicula".
I loved the clip with Ramon.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 18:14:34

David83

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RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Jim Opfer)

The majority of Ramón de Algeciras's artistic career has seen him playing from behind, that is, accompanying dancing or singing. He was one of the first guitarists that accompanied Camarón, and he also accompanied many great flamenco singers: Antonio Mairena, La Niña de los Peines, Pepe Marchena, Pepe Pinto, Fernanda and Bernarda de Utrera, La Perla de Cádiz, Adela La Chaqueta, Fosforito, and so on. But what I most like of him is his humility; I had a drink in his house in Algeciras with him, his wife and his son —my friend Ramoncito— last summer, and I have to say that he is a really straighforward man. Ole for you Ramón!

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 19:32:36

Jim Opfer

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From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to David83)

That's great to read David. I know about his background and was delighted to see/hear him play, shiney suit and all

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 19:41:17

duende

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From: Sweden

RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Jim Opfer)

i also think its intressting to compare Ramon and Paco.
In these days they played a lot of the same falsetas and its amazing to hear paco play the same stuff.

Ramon sounds like a great flamenco guitarist while paco sounds like a great edited
flamenco recording. so clean and with such power, amazing.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 19:57:29

Ron.M

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RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Jim Opfer)

quote:

shiney suit and all

Great clip Jim!
I had the pleasure of sitting with him backstage and having a coffee during a small concert in Madrid way back (featuring Manuela Vargas the dancer as the star.)
Apart from the Spanish language, I was struck by his style of Eddie Cochrane/James Dean era of string ties, drainpipe trousers and bop hairstyle.
You could honestly have been talking to someone outside "The Barrowland" in Glasgow at the turn of the 60's!

What David says was my impression also...a very "together" person, very soft spoken and someone who really enjoyed the professional Flamenco scene just for the music and the fun.
He no way felt his personal career was in second place to his brother's great international success.
During the show he played a couple of solos too!
All Paco falsetas, which he brought off perfectly!
Altogether a very nice person.

cheers

Ron

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 9 2007 20:19:14

David83

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RE: Camaron y Ramon (in reply to Ron.M)

Ron's right, Ramón no way felt his personal career was in second place to his brother's great international success; far from it, he was one of the most important masters for Paco. In fact, Paco took several falsetas from him. For example, did you know that the falseta from 1:54 to 2:16 in Fuente y Caudal was composed by Ramón?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Mar. 10 2007 9:49:57