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JBASHORUN

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Does this make sense? 
Does this make sense to anyone?

Clap clap clap rest rest rest clap clap clap clap rest rest...

Or:

...tata (and) ta (rest) tata (and) ta (rest) tata (rest) tata (rest) tata (rest)...

is this correct? And which beats should the "accents" be on?

Any help appreciated.

Jb

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RE: Does this make sense? (in reply to Guest) 
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If that is solea or alegrias I would clap that las rest.
The silence on beat 4-6 lets the compas breathe-a nice variation.


Thanks. And yes, solea and alegrias were the palos I had in mind.

Jb

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RE: Does this make sense? (in reply to JBASHORUN) 
Romerito, my teacher said NOT TO clap the last beat if doing palmas, but for playing the guitar maybe. Not sure why, as I thought compas was the same for both. But perhaps I should have explained that we were using PALMAS as an exercise to understand compas.

here's another:

rest rest clap rest rest clap rest clap rest clap rest clap...

I think thats a bulerias.

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RE: Does this make sense? (in reply to JBASHORUN)2 votes
There are many different ways to do palmas. Think of them as "patterns" just like when you strum guitar. After you learn how to do a bunch, you are free to do which ever you like at the moment. There are some clapping patterns, while on paper seem fine, in practice you don't see too often. Such as your "bulerias" where you just clap the accents.

Here are a couple for solea/Alegria/ solea por buleria:

&2 3...&5 6,....&8,...&10....&12....repeat.
&2 3...&5 6, 7&8,9&10,11&12...repeat.
1&2 3, 4&56, 7&8,9&10,11&12 (caused by two palmeros, but one can do it too).
1 2 3, 4 5 6, 7&8, 9&10 11&12, etc
1 2 3, ... ... ..., 7&8,9&10,11&12, etc
1 2 3, ... ... ..., 7&8,9&10, 11 12,
1 2 3, ... ... ..., 7&8, 9 10 11 12
1 2 3, ... ... ...,7 8 9 10 11 12
1 2 3e ,... ... ..., 7 8 9&10 11 12,
1 2 3e ,... ... ...,7 8 9&10 ... ..., etc.

ETC endless combos of those kind of phrases.
JB your first one would be 1 2 3,... .... ...., 7 8 9 10, ... ..., repeat.
The second (tata rest, etc) would be:
&2 3, &5 6, &8, &10, &12, like my first example.

In all examples you accent 3 6 8 10 12, if you clap on any of those. In some cases you accent 1,2,3 equally strong. Those last two of my examples, you accent "e" after 3.

At anytime you have two palmeros or more, these patterns can be doubled or mixed (poly rhythm). Also one palmero can simply keep an unaccented steady beat on the numbers, while the other guy accents. Listen to different recordings and try to pick up the differences.

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RE: Does this make sense? (in reply to JBASHORUN) 
Thanks guys... EXTREMELY helpful info. I'm slowly finding out that palmas is not as rigid as I had thought. Although I wouldn't have the courage to argue with my teacher over the 11-12 issue, but its very useful to know.

Gracias!

Jb

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