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Tango Two Finger Rasgueados
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Ricardo
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RE: Tango Two Finger Rasgueados (in reply to mark indigo)
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Habichuela does just that, uses m and i BUT he does the upstroke with m not i (i.e. m up, m down, i down)! He also uses that mechanism in other contexts to play 4 or 5 notes per beat. Miguel Angel Cortes (fellow Granaino) also does this, and it's very clear in his Encuentro video. Oscar Herrero also teaches index and middle to play triplets in the Paso a Paso DVD's, but he is using the index to do the upstroke, and i was also shown this by a teacher back in the nineties (i.e. it's not unique to Herrero), but I never really got on with it. Just spotted someone else using i up, m down, i down to play Sevillanas here at 1:30: Pretty sure he was asking about tango basic compas, not rolls or accents. Although it’s good you pointed out Pepe because he has different techniques that actual make him have unique results, however subtle.
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Date Jul. 10 2020 19:09:11
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mark indigo
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RE: Tango Two Finger Rasgueados (in reply to Ricardo)
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Pretty sure he was asking about tango basic compas, not rolls or accents. yeah, the Herrero example veered off topic a bit, but the Pepe Habichuela one is relevant: "Pepe perfected this movemente [m up, m down, i down], by derivation from a rumba andaluza strumming (very similar to old tangos he used to play as a child in Granada. In this technique that he had learned from his father Tio José, he replaced the thumb of the strong beat by a golpe and the first two index finders by the middle finger." [In place of p i i i (all down on each of 4 beats) he did golpe, m up, m down, i down on the 4 beats.] "From that time onwards the movement was ready and it was just sufficient to take out the first beat and it's golpe to have a continuous rasgueado after some practising to increase the speed." [from Alain Faucher's "Flamenco Esencias" book] I'm pretty sure Pepe has used this (mmi) where we would use iai in basic tangos compas, and certain Miguel Angel Cortes has. But as you say, quote:
Pepe... has different techniques that actual make him have unique results, however subtle. I happened to spot the Sevillanas example and although a different palo of course the mechanism (however you do it) in Sevillanas is the same as Tangos but without the down up index on the 4th beat. I learned i up, a down, m down, i down, for basic tangos compas first (i think maybe from the Paco Serrano Encuentro), and from there it was easy to drop the m finger to get the typical i up, a down, i down, which is what i use. I have tried the m up, m down, i down, version, but find it really clunky and awkward so don't use it.
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