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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to rafapak)
Can you post a picture so we can see? It could be a quintuplet. I remember some in flamenco text. One that comes to mind is a run of quintuplets in his soleares bronce gitano.
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to rafapak)
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Five sixteenth notes beamed together-how to count them if they occupy one beat in 12 beats cycle?
You have just admitted you can’t learn from Kai or my basic compas lectures (assuming the ones I posted links of regarding Solea, Fandango, Tango, etc). If you can’t understand basic chord strumming as described WITHOUT NOTATION, and right here you admit you don’t understand 16th note groupings (implying you are also a novice note note reader), then I am afraid you need to take a deep breath, slow down a bit with the free material which clearly won’t help you, and think about investing in some one on one private lessons. Any other route will likely result in more confusion and frustration at this point.
RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to AndresK)
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Can you post a picture so we can see? It could be a quintuplet. I remember some in flamenco text. One that comes to mind is a run of quintuplets in his soleares bronce gitano.
Edit: forgot to say Sabicas
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to rafapak)
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ORIGINAL: rafapak
i wouldn't worry about the quintuplets, just play them as four 16th. the difference is subtle anyway. the focus here is on the accents and the difference between the two strumming patterns.
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to chester)
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Four, five, six and seven 16th notes -> one Eight 16th notes -> one, two
can you explain more what you mean by this?
He means you can’t split odd groupings evenly so feel them collectively (sloppily? ) from one beat to the next. Even groupings (2,4,6,8, etc) can be divided in order to be more accurate tempo wise.
RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to Ricardo)
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He means you can’t split odd groupings evenly so feel them collectively (sloppily? ) from one beat to the next. Even groupings (2,4,6,8, etc) can be divided in order to be more accurate tempo wise.
There really should be a 'sloppy' symbol in flamenco transcriptions :D
RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to chester)
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Four, five, six and seven 16th notes -> one Eight 16th notes -> one, two
can you explain more what you mean by this?
OP asked how to count five 16th notes. I replied he should count them as one. It's simple math. One refers to a quarter note. Due to the fact that four, five, six or seven 16th notes equal a quarter note, we can count them as one.
Take the most common four 16th notes for example: One, two is obviously a quarter note each. Overall 2 quarter notes (eight 16th notes). One, two, three, four is 4 quarter notes (sixteen 16th notes).
A quick question to see if you got what I mean. How about nine 16th notes? Can they have the same note value as a quarter note?
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to devilhand)
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OP asked how to count five 16th notes. I replied he should count them as one.
That doesn't help though does it.
He surely means how does he break those five notes down into equal parts within that beat. How does he feel them, how does that sound. Like the lo-la-bri-gi-da video.
You've basically just said you count one beat as...ermm... Well 1!
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to devilhand)
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No need to count every 16th note. Never liked one and e a stuff
This is what he's asking.
No need to count them? How, at that stage, does he learn to feel the duration of each, if he's not gonna take the time to break that down and see how long each now lasts within that beat?
Assuming this is all new to rafapak.
But like Chester 😊 said... You can drop the e out and just play 4 16th notes. Are you comfortable with how you count /feel that rafa?
Anyway I feel this all may be like a foreign language to rafapak, I dunno. ? One on one lessons !!
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to Stu)
It is such a frustrating read I am very close to revealing all the dirty subdivisions I learned from the marching drum line in college. Truth is all those are still stuck in my head and are very accurate.
Here is a clean 4 against 3 pattern:pass the goddam butter. That is R/L…R-L..R…L-R…repeat. R=4, L=3
RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to Ricardo)
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It is such a frustrating read I am very close to revealing all the dirty subdivisions I learned from the marching drum line in college. Truth is all those are still stuck in my head and are very accurate.
Here is a clean 4 against 3 pattern:pass the goddam butter. That is R/L…R-L..R…L-R…repeat. R=4, L=3
Welcome to my world 🌎- I’m fed up with videos in the luthiers section with the title “what do you think of this guitar?”
I don’t give a f¥ck about random guitar videos, that’s what I think. 😂
RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to devilhand)
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Take the most common four 16th notes for example: One, two is obviously a quarter note each. Overall 2 quarter notes (eight 16th notes). One, two, three, four is 4 quarter notes (sixteen 16th notes).
A quick question to see if you got what I mean. How about nine 16th notes? Can they have the same note value as a quarter note?
sorry, i'm not getting it..? what do you mean by "the most common four 16th notes"?
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One, two is obviously a quarter note each
one, two WHAT?? how are they a quarter note, and what does that have to do with four 16th notes?
RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to rafapak)
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Five sixteenth notes beamed together-how to count them if they occupy one beat in 12 beats cycle?
1,2,3,4,5?
Can you play a five stroke rajeo with your strumming hand starting on the beat and ending with index down on the next beat (if you need to you can count 1,2,3,4,5, 1)?
If the answer is "no", then learn to do that.
Can you play two consecutive five stroke rajeos with your strumming hand starting on two consecutive beats and ending with index down on the next beat (if you need to you can count 1,2,3,4,5, 1,2,3,4,5, 1)?
If the answer is "no", then learn to do that.
When you can do that easily, consistently and at will you won't need to be counting each individual stroke of each rajeo.
If you can do the second one 4 times in a row you can add chords with your fretting hand - F (leave the top string open), C, F and E, one set of 3 beats each.
Congratulations, you can now play a compás of Soleá, no need to count much at all.
Also, if you can do that then Ricardo's Soleá video any problem, in fact it is probably easier!
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RE: Five sixteenth notes beamed together (in reply to silddx)
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I'll post this thing again, maybe you'll watch it.
Very often the rhythm executed first at 4:06 is how that 5 stroke rasgueado is executed if you slow the recording down. The reverse for the flamenco tremolo as well. The intent of course is the even 5 group.
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) from one beat to the next. Even groupings (2,4,6,8, etc) can be divided in order to be more accurate tempo wise. 
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