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henrym3483

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jason websters duende

i read jason webster's book "duende a journey in search of flamenco" last week, and i must say whilst some of it was interesting the prevailing sentiment i got from the book was that the flamenco world in referece to the gitanos is seedy, fuelled by cocaine,theft alcohol and self torment. there were some snippets about the greats in the book, but it was at times implausible such as the author jason claiming to have mastered the guitar in less than 2yrs of constant play.

anyone else read this book?btw i did'nt buy it, got it from the local library.

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Ricardo

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

I met a guy who spent only ONE year in Spain with a gypsy family. He never played guitar or musical instruments before, but came back playing Tomatito falsetas perfectly in compas, Solea por Bulerias, Alegrias, bulerias, etc. I could only imagine if he had stayed an extra year. And I doubt he was practicing "constantly". He just learned properly the Spanish way, by wrote.

About the the other stuff, well I did not read the book, but that stuff is certainly going on.

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 29 2006 16:23:31

JBASHORUN

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

quote:

anyone else read this book?

An "English Spaniard" recommended this book to me. She is not From a Flamenco region of Spain, and so knows very little about Flamenco. But she said it was fascinating. I added it to me "to read" list... along with about a million other books.

James

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 29 2006 19:34:10

Ron.M

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

Henry,
Jason's book was done to death somewhere in a 3 page thread on this Forum last year, including law suits etc LOL!
If the "search" function works (I can't get it to find anything) then you'll get everyone's opinions there!

cheers

Ron

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Kate

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to Ron.M)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Ron.M
If the "search" function works (I can't get it to find anything)
Ron

Me neither when I put in Duende nothing came up not even this recent thread.

Kate

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 9:45:16

henrym3483

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to Kate)

btw that bit with paco relieving his bladder with jason behind the alhambra was kinda funny, but i doubt it given that paco being a millionaire artist would have had a porta-loo or sumthing for these needs.

heh i got the link for the other threads, but not the 3page thread about the law suit etc.

duende links

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 10:43:26

Kate

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

quote:

ORIGINAL: henrym3483

btw that bit with paco relieving his bladder with jason behind the alhambra was kinda funny, but i doubt it given that paco being a millionaire artist would have had a porta-loo or sumthing for these needs.

He did though I've heard this anecdote before I ever read Duende. Its an urban legend round these parts. The bit about the drug dealing Priest in Plaza Nueva was pretty far fetched as well.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 11:26:41

henrym3483

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to Kate)

so was it jason or another guy? another thing that was a bit freaky was the bride's test at the gitano wedding, is this stuff still going on?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 11:35:03

Kate

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

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ORIGINAL: henrym3483
is this stuff still going on?

Yes it is, its a traditional custom and still practised in traditional communities. There was a big fuss in The Telegraph, a UK paper about this happening at Farruquito's wedding, as they claimed it was humiliating, which is not how it is seen in the Gitano community where it is a source of pride, oh and they said it was televised.

I've been invited to a Gypsy wedding next year and the bride wants me there for this. It's an honour.

Cant remember what Webster said about it in his book.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 11:55:27

henrym3483

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to Kate)

seems a bit extreme to test the purity of the woman, even if it is an arranged marriage.
i personally found the scene in the book a bit shocking.
i think webster said something about an ajunctora testing her, and that there was some misgivings as to whether the bride was pure,and alot of tension befoe the result was known.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 12:00:03

Escribano

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RE: jason websters duende - old threads (in reply to Ron.M)

Previous threads on Webster's book

http://www.foroflamenco.com/searchpro.asp?phrase=webster&appid=ALL&topicreply=both&message=both&author=&timeframe=%3E&timefilter=0&language=single&top=50&criteria=AND&minRank=10&submitbutton=+OK+

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Kate

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

here's the article about it

http://enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/news/article41614.ece

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 12:04:13

henrym3483

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to Kate)

WHAT A CHANCER, as the irish would say

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 12:10:27

henrym3483

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

quote:

met a guy who spent only ONE year in Spain with a gypsy family. He never played guitar or musical instruments before, but came back playing Tomatito falsetas perfectly in compas, Solea por Bulerias, Alegrias, bulerias, etc. I could only imagine if he had stayed an extra year. And I doubt he was practicing "constantly". He just learned properly the Spanish way, by wrote. ricardo

what i would'nt give to get outta ireland for a year and do that.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 14:26:45

Kate

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

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ORIGINAL: henrym3483
seems a bit extreme to test the purity of the woman, even if it is an arranged marriage.
i personally found the scene in the book a bit shocking.

I dont have a problem with it as long as it is the bride's choice. Why should she not show off her purity. I would think if there was any doubt the bride would not be willing. I also suspect that there are ways of making sure the hankerchief shows the right result.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2006 21:31:08

Miguel de Maria

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RE: jason websters duende (in reply to henrym3483)

Hope the gypsy ladies don't like horseback ridin'.

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