c-a-m-i rasgueado

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athrane77

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c-a-m-i rasgueado

Hey, I saw this video from Paco Pena about Rasgueados:

At 1:24 he does a c-a-m-i rasgueado.
I wanted to learn that too, but don't know how it's done. Is there anyone of you who can explain that?
Thanks in advance.

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Dudnote

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RE: c-a-m-i rasgueado (in reply to Guest)

What are people's preferences for the up strokes?
1) a snappy upstroke that sounds very similar to a rapid down stroke.
2) a draggy upstroke that adds more of a pulsing effect to the overall sound.

I tend to practice both ways.

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athrane77

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RE: c-a-m-i rasgueado (in reply to athrane77)

I mean the whole technique is done differently to the "normal" rasgueado. It isn't played with individual and separated strokes like the punchy a-m-i rasgueado. Most of the players don't use it nowadays, it's kind of a oldschool technique but very effective. Paco de Lucia used it a lot especially por soleá.
I remember you dudnote asking what kind of rasgueado uses the player at 3:36 in that video:

I think thats the technique Paco Pena showed in that video above.

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Dudnote

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RE: c-a-m-i rasgueado (in reply to athrane77)

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ORIGINAL: jof
I mean the whole technique is done differently to the "normal" rasgueado. It isn't played with individual and separated strokes like the punchy a-m-i rasgueado. Most of the players don't use it nowadays, it's kind of a oldschool technique but very effective. Paco de Lucia used it a lot especially por soleá.

The main difference is in the down strokes. The fingers are not being shot out one by one in a finish-one-start-the-next sort of way. Instead, the fingers are being fanned out across the strings so that each finger starts hitting strings before the one prior to it finishes. The effect is of a more continuous wall of noise instead of the more percussive or "punchy" effect you are describing which seemed to become the more fashionable approach from the 1980s onward.

A variation on this is to replace the i up stroke with a p upstroke - this is most effective in the libre palos.

quote:

I remember you dudnote asking what kind of rasgueado uses the player at 3:36 in that video:

What was surprising in that video was his finger order. As far as I can tell (using YouTubes slow down feature) is that he goes i(down)-m(down)-a(down)-i(up) - which is something of a mirror image of what most players do. The fact that he reverses his finger order means his hand has to be much more stable than Paco Pena's who is making up and down motions with his entire forearm so that there is an element of all his fingers, hand and forearm moving together on the down strokes. Keep an eye on Paco's knuckles when he shows the slow version - they distinctly move across the strings which reduces the amount of finger flicking that must be done.

Hope that helps.

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athrane77

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RE: c-a-m-i rasgueado (in reply to athrane77)

Thanks Dudnote, I'll try that.

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Dudnote

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RE: c-a-m-i rasgueado (in reply to Dudnote)

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ORIGINAL: Dudnote
A variation on this is to replace the i up stroke with a p upstroke - this is most effective in the libre palos.

A variation on this variation is that you can optionally throw in a p down stroke too. I prefer without, but it might help you get the dragging motion going.

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Ricardo

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RE: c-a-m-i rasgueado (in reply to athrane77)

It's nothing at all about old school versus modern sound...it is about rhythm and personal choice. Some tempos require a 5 note strum, others a 4 note etc.

About the reverse strum guy with Gordito singing...he clearly is self taught and developed that thing on his own. I would not follow that if I were you. Paco P. Is simply exaggerating the movement for the demo, when he plays normally the hand need not move that way for that rasgueado....it can also depend on the chord voicing used (you may need to get more basses or more trebles depending).

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