Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco

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MG Perez

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Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco

Has anybody used open harmonic bars on a Flamenco ?

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estebanana

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

Did someone just say the bar is open?

Can I have a Mojito, two beers and a shot of Bullet Bourbon please?

Those drinks are for my dog. I'll have a glass of white wine with two ice cubes.

Thanks!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2015 14:49:11

MG Perez

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

Bar is open , IPA, Merlot, Cab, Sake , just not while your routing the binding channels. Lol

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 16 2015 15:00:18

MG Perez

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

Did read that open harmonic bars contribute to higher freq 450-550hz , 5th thru 12 fret. Has anybody built a Flamenco this way ?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2015 3:28:54

Dudnote

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

Drinks are on me and in me

https://sites.google.com/site/classicalguitardesign/openharmonicbars

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2015 3:49:41

Stephen Eden

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

I'm pretty sure I saw Andy do it. Perhaps that was classical though

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 17 2015 22:17:01

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

I did it once, on my guitar #10. Weird, experimental bracing pattern that eventually evolved into what I use now. The guitar had a good sound but I closed the harmonic bar for good after that, it just didn't make much sense on a flamenco.
All my classicals have open harmonic bars but I would never use that particular pattern on a flamenco; they have no ability to rasgueo.

It actually didn't sound bad:

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2015 0:38:02

Anders Eliasson

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

I cant see if its open (like Romanillos) or the harmonic bar is fitted to the outer braces like the French builders (names

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I have built a flamenco with harmonic bars like Romanillos. Sound was great but with a good deal of sustain, Dont do to many Rumba slaps on it or it will collaps.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 18 2015 8:52:22

Andy Culpepper

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

Yeah I couldn't find a better picture, but the lower bar is open Romanillos-style. The upper one is solid.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Sep. 19 2015 0:05:58

TANúñez

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

I tried this once years ago as well and like Andy said, it didn't make much sense on a flamenco.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 18 2015 12:55:28

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to MG Perez)

The upper harmonic bat is open for two braces on my spruce/Brazilian Abel Garcia classical. Garcia is presumably somewhat influenced by Romanillos, having taken the guitar building course and having been Romanillos's assistant for the course twice. This guitar is about as un-flamenco as it gets without going to cedar.

Oddly enough, my Romanillos does not have an open harmonic bar. It can have a more flamenco picado tone than the Garcia, but doesn't do much in the way of rasgueados. The top is pretty thick.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 18 2015 22:42:49

jshelton5040

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to Richard Jernigan)

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ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

This guitar is about as un-flamenco as it gets without going to cedar.

Cedar is a wonderful wood for building either flamenco or classic guitars. You just need to know how to do it.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 18 2015 23:34:31

Richard Jernigan

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RE: Open harmonic bar on a Flamenco (in reply to jshelton5040)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jshelton5040

quote:

ORIGINAL: Richard Jernigan

This guitar is about as un-flamenco as it gets without going to cedar.

Cedar is a wonderful wood for building either flamenco or classic guitars. You just need to know how to do it.

Indeed. I love my '67 Ramirez 1a cedar/cypress. It's a great flamenco guitar.

My point, not made clearly, is that the Garcia is about the warmest toned spruce guitar I have played long enough to be familiar with it, but I have played some cedar classicals that were even warmer, softer toned instruments.

RNJ

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 18 2015 23:42:14