Check this out - Tomatito's guitar for sale

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rogeliocan

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Check this out - Tomatito's guitar f...

http://www.flamencoguitarsforsale.net/es/guitarras-flamencas/guitarras-especiales.html

Any takers? I would not even bother to ask how much. And it is in perfect condition except... for two cracks.

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tele

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

That's really cool. I wonder though why the signature is not seemingly of faustino conde but seems like it's his wife's like on all the condes after faustino's passing from gravina shop. I wonder what makes tomato sell his baby.

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el carbonero

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

i want the same cabinet with all that is in it

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 9:33:03

Ricardo

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

For $6000 I would get it. It's not worth more except if you want that tomatito connection. In that case it is worth what ever someone will pay for it. I bet it is a good guitar too, it sounds pretty good.

By the way, the video at the bottom of the page shows tomatito playing for camaron. THat is NOT the same guitar though they seem to imply it is. FIrst I think the video might be before 87, but if it is after, just take a look at the 19th fret. Not the same guitar though the same rosette and perhaps make.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 15:24:01

tele

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to Ricardo)

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By the way, the video at the bottom of the page shows tomatito playing for camaron. THat is NOT the same guitar though they seem to imply it is. FIrst I think the video might be before 87, but if it is after, just take a look at the 19th fret. Not the same guitar though the same rosette and perhaps make.

Ricardo

that would explain him selling it... I suppose even he doesn't need two of the same guitars.

BTW if is true that good playing makes guitar sound better then this one is the bomb.

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 17:03:55

ralexander

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

Hey, that's cool! I would be somewhat surprised if he sold a guitar that he used to accompany Camaron, but that's just me. I would suspect he has a lot of guitars.

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rogeliocan

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to ralexander)

Are there any videos of him playing a guitar with a crack in it?
As you say, he probably has a bunch of them.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 17:38:07

el carbonero

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

on the page web of this guitar ,they say the best guitar ever,however there are lot of good guitar,this is the best?

i want to listen the seller melody's to compare.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 22:10:22

el carbonero

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

for me it's not the same varnish in the camaron video,lacado in the video and gomalaca in the website

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 22:15:13

Ricardo

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to el carbonero)

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ORIGINAL: el carbonero

for me it's not the same varnish in the camaron video,lacado in the video and gomalaca in the website

One only need look at the 19th fret to see they are not the same guitar. Perhaps made around the same time who knows? I wonder if it is really tomatito's guitar or it's just because he signed the back? They say the golpeador is original but that's a lie...you can see the damage under before it was obviously changed. Anyway looks like a good guitar and sounds good in the first video.

Incidentally...for conde nuts...chicuelo's guitar sold there looks like it is no longer available. It is 100% identical to all the conde's from Felipe V I have seen or played and even owned. But....the address is ATOCHA. THat pretty much is proof right there that both addresses contracted out to the exact same source.

Ricardo

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 13 2013 22:28:02

Erik van Goch

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to tele)

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ORIGINAL: tele

BTW if is true that good playing makes guitar sound better then this one is the bomb.

Unfortunately that effect fades quite soon once it is played by lesser gods.

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el carbonero

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

yeah totally agree ricardo,the 19 th fret is not the same.

Chicuelo dont sell his conde,he sell a sanchis.
the conde is in the siteweb because they change the fret.

i have always believed,conde's chicuelo is felipeV,but there are a long thread in the pacodelucia foro,about conde,and they say it's atocha.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2013 9:19:37

tele

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to el carbonero)

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i have always believed,conde's chicuelo is felipeV,but there are a long thread in the pacodelucia foro,about conde,and they say it's atocha.

Well you can read it on the label in the pictures

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jun. 14 2013 10:40:32

RobJe

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to rogeliocan)

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It is 100% identical to all the conde's from Felipe V I have seen or played and even owned. But....the address is ATOCHA.
Ricardo

99.9% perhaps. The A26 models with the Felipe V label have no contrasting veneers under the head plate (unlike the the A25 and A25R which do). I think that the Atocha picture shows the extra contrasting layers in the curved head ramp.

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I wonder though why the signature is not seemingly of faustino conde but seems like it's his wife's like on all the condes after faustino's passing from gravina shop.
tele

Julia Conde was signing guitars at the Gravina shop by 1986 – a couple of years before Faustino died.

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Ricardo

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RE: Check this out - Tomatito's guit... (in reply to RobJe)

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99.9% perhaps. The A26 models with the Felipe V label have no contrasting veneers under the head plate (unlike the the A25 and A25R which do). I think that the Atocha picture shows the extra contrasting layers in the curved head ramp.

well, overall kind of a minor detail, considering. Also, the scale length is different. 660 I always found on Sanchis and hermanos sanchis lopez, but the condes felipe V I always found bigger 664, or smaller 651. I guess I could tell by the neck feel but the sound is pretty much the same as other A26 from that era IMO.

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