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Graham_B
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The following is about a guy that works for me... Published on Monday 30 July 2012 14:28 A man with desperate money problems claimed he had a bomb and demanded cash from terrified Wigan bank staff, a court heard. John Walsh, a 48-year-old customer services manager, had feared his home would be repossessed and so carried out his bizarre bid. Walsh, of Coralin Way, Ashton-in-Makerfield, pleaded guilty to communicating false information with intent and attempted robbery of £50,000. Liverpool Crown Court heard that Walsh went into the Lloyds TSB bank in Standish on July 4 this year and communicated to bank teller Nicola Armstrong that he had a bomb and demanded the cash. Judge David Aubrey, QC, said: “On one hand it is an extremely serious case and on the other hand there are many, many personal mitigating features to it. “His emotions were out of control as a consequence of severe debt and intended re-possession of his property.” Defence barrister, Raymond Herman, asked for sentence on Walsh, who appeared via video link from Liverpool Prison, to be adjourned to enable a psychiatric report to be prepared. “It is important that the court should know from a more expert vantage point about the state of his mind at the time of the incident,” he explained. Further remanding Walsh in custody for sentence in September, the judge, who will not be available for that hearing, told him: “You have pleaded guilty to an extremely serious matter and a judge will have to balance your personal mitigation which is very self-evident from what you said to police. “I have some reservations whether that report will assist the sentencing judge beyond what has already been disclosed but I won’t stand in the way of that report being obtained.” “I regret it means a little while before you will be sentenced,” he added.
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Date Jul. 30 2012 20:09:51
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BarkellWH
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RE: Just when you think you know som... (in reply to XXX)
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But if a poor guy, or anybody who cant afford certain things, sees a rich guy not remotely being able to spend all the money (or to be more precise: the income) he gets, and NOT raises an eyebrow as to WHO in this economy is in advantage, then somethings going wrong. It is a mistake to think that everyone without money or the means to sustain a reasonably decent standard of living got that way because they are "oppressed." There are plenty of examples of people who squander what resources they have, who want "instant gratirfication" and don't save today in order to have more tomorrow, and generally lack the prudence and will to live frugally in order to have a better life. For many, it is not the "system" that is responsible for their condition; rather, it is their own irresponsibility. Not for all, but for many. Cheers, Bill
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Date Jul. 31 2012 21:20:06
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BarkellWH
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RE: Just when you think you know som... (in reply to XXX)
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Bill, you are quoting me referencing a rich guy who is "not remotely being able to spend all the money (or to be more precise: the income) he gets" and then you go on talking about poor people "who squander what resources they have". Thats an immediate contradiction i dont even have to go on further. No contradiction at all, Deniz. The rich guy who is "not remotely being able to spend all the money (or to be more precise: the income) he gets" is irrelevant to my point. And I didn't just refer to "poor people." Regardless of who has wealth and who doesn't, there are many people who could live a good life if they just acted responsibly. In fact, Graham-B stated as much when he described the guy he was writing about. In Graham-B's own words in his post above: "This is not a badly paid 'oppressed by the super rich' guy. Dreadful money management and the denial of the problem including hiding the truth from his family and friends is closer to the mark." A perfect example of someone who is responsible for his own problems. There are many people, not necessarily poor, who could be living much better if they acted more responsibly, didn't give in to their desire for immediate gratification, and saved and invested some money. I'm not talking about "rich guys." There are plenty of average, middle class people who live well by living responsibly. And plenty more could as well if they would just adopt a responsible attitude and stop blaming others for "oppressing" them. Cheers, Bill
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Date Aug. 1 2012 4:13:32
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BarkellWH
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What i mean with contradiction is: you are saying, for example, bad money management is one reason why somebody is poor. "Squandering resourcess" as you say it. Then i say there are striking counter examples like people who have so much that no matter how much they squander, their standard of living does NOT drop. Conclusion being, its not the squandering what makes people poor. Of course the wealthy can squander money and not be adversely affected, while those who are not wealthy (not just the poor, but ordinary middle class people, too) who squander money will find themselves in financial trouble. The point is that many people who find themselves in financial trouble (such as Graham-B's example) got in that position through their own irresponsible actions: They did not manage their resources well, very likely bought a flat-screen TV they could not afford, a new car they could not afford, wanted instant gratification, etc. Conclusion: Irresponsible squandering of one's resources does have a great effect on one's economic/financial position. Not everyone who is poor was irresponsible for sure. But many who complain about their financial position have only themselves and their irresponsible actions to blame. For those people, it's time to take responsibility for the choices they made and stop blaming "the system." Cheers, Bill
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Date Aug. 1 2012 19:39:22
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XXX
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RE: Just when you think you know som... (in reply to Ricardo)
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ORIGINAL: Ricardo It's not caused by the evil rich elite hoarding money. ... That's my point, no need to blame em all for the "evil" of the world. Sounds pretty silly, I didnt say anything like that. Just read the written word and dont interpret too much. About "evil": means nothing else than whatever economic/political problem is there. Its the PHENOMENON that is TO BE EXPLAINED. And yes, the newspapers & TVs are full of it. There is no conspiracy or bad intentions of willingly hurting someone. About Aids: "HIV is transmitted by three main routes: sexual contact, exposure to infected body fluids or tissues, and from mother to child during pregnancy, delivery, or breastfeeding (known as vertical transmission)" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS Bill, if two people squander resources and one guy gets rich through that and the other one poor, then "squandering resources" obviously cannot be the reason, why one guy gets rich through that and the other one poor. This is just basic logic.
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