picante...or canticado

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Miguel de Maria

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

picante...or canticado

Last night I was listening to Sabicas' Flamenco Fiesta....a famous recording, but one I only recently acquired. Wow! That guy had an incredibly facile technique! I had one of his albums...Flamenco Fire or something I think, which was nice, but this was just jaw-dropping. I guess that's the difference between "young gun" fingers and "seasoned vet" fingers.

A pleasurable treat of Flamenco de Puro (cigar flamenco). Anyways, I was listening to the Verdiales, and got the idea to kind of analyze the cante. I got the guitar and would play back the phrases after hitting the pause button. To my surprise, the many ornaments and scales and patterns the singer executed was very familiar--it was the same "virtuosic" picado runs that you would hear guitars use for falsetas and remates. I guess it bears saying again, if you really want to get the flamenco guitar sound into your fingers, then you have to study the cante.

And it makes a terrific picado exercise.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2005 14:40:04

fevictor

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Joined: Nov. 22 2005
From: Quepos / Manuel Antonio, Costa Rica

RE: picante...or canticado (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Maybe you could explain what "REMATE" is for me? I have virtually no musical knowledge and I keep hearing this word come up! Thanks

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2005 14:49:02

XXX

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RE: picante...or canticado (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miguel de Maria
--it was the same "virtuosic" picado runs that you would hear guitars use for falsetas and remates.

...if you really want to get the flamenco guitar sound into your fingers, then you have to study the cante.

huh?
Anyway, im listening to Sabicas La Guitarra Flamenca at the moment and must agree its great.

Ps: generally, not only in flamenco, instrumental phrases are closed to the singing. Personally im not that much into singing, neither in flamenco, nor in other styles, though there are some few that i like very much.
But ive heard great arabic/oriental violin solos, very virtuous! Violin is just the best for melodies i think! Thats only IMO...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2005 15:10:22

Miguel de Maria

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Joined: Oct. 20 2003
From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: picante...or canticado (in reply to Miguel de Maria)

Remate, I look at this as the end of a phrase, where they do a stop. Although I think the truth is that it's a bit more specific than that.

What I meant by getting the flamenco into your fingers...

You know you hear these foreign guitarists all the time, who can play up and down and sideways on the guitar, throw any Adimb11th chord in there whenever they want, but their phrases just sound kind of fake...square...anything but flamenco? Probably, if you strummed some compas for them, and asked them to hum some lines, they would probably come up with square, non-flamenco sounding lines. To me, if you study the cante and ingrain it into your musical mind (or fingers), then when it comes time to make a falseta or improvise, what's going to come out will be more flamenco. And that is what most of us want, right?

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 28 2005 15:55:36