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larone

 

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Compositional tools?? Anyone?? 
Hi, i'm just wondering if there's any ideas for compsoing flamenco out there. I've started on my quest to write a show for flamenco. I've got 2.5 mins so far (go me!) BUT i'm curious if anyone has ideas on writing this sort of stuff. So far i've come across things such as, key changes and rhythmic ideas that go across the compas and end 1 or 2 later on the 10. Things like that, but i've become stumped. I don't know if i'm trying to make it too hard for myself or the listener. It sounds good so far but it's hard to sound new (different)
Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
Cheers
Larone
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 2 2005 3:29:29
 
Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: Compositional tools?? Anyone?? (in reply to larone) 
Hi yes there are many ways that can help you compose some that come to mind :
1
Listen to cante cd and emulate the singing in a falseta , once you have the melody you decide how close or how far to the original cant you wanna stay.


2.
Look at the old school falsetas, do it note by note at first , then chage or substitute notes 1 by one while keeping the feel and compas , again you decide how far or how close to the original you stay

3.
I think is the most important, stay open to all styles of music because you can learn something from every style, you might find a melody that you like in a Brasilian guitar solo , you can take that change the key or keep it and adapt it for a flamenco palo.

I think this days a flamenco guitarist has to be educated in many styles and keys, they almost have to be more universal than any other style in the world, the acorde (rythm) has to have much Aire and the Falseta has to be not only musicaly melodic but it has to go somewhere and keep the same theme of all the other falsetas in the solo.

But thats just theory to simplify you be yourself , make the melody that speaks to you most and you cant go wrong, and if you dont you learn from it.
From what I have heard youre doing greate with composing.
I think our reason to learning other pples music is just to get used to the technique, keys and style and phrasing and ideas of how something should sound etc once you get used to that youl get better at telling your own story.

Is funny when I knew nothing I was composing all day and coming up with stuff, now I am never happy with anything I think , I have about 15 minutes of my own music and only about 3 minutes that i am proud of, but next week il probably listen to it again and think that is piss weak, scrap it all and start over hehe.

I love everything Duende ( Henrik ) comes up with, the problem is that i think of a brilliant falseta and before I get to even upload it here Henrik has allready done it. His problem is that he will play something brilliant to me then i say thats greate man you should use that , the next day hel play something else brilliant but he forghets the brilliant thing he did the day before and so on.. lol
Just kidding Henrik , youre my homeboy you know that !!
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 2 2005 3:51:52
 
Rain

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RE: Compositional tools?? Anyone?? (in reply to larone) 
Hi Florian,

You are being to hard on yourself. Its easier to like someone elses playing BECAUSE it's not your own in anyway. People who are creative are never happy, I should say rarely happy about their own playing. That is a good thing and a bad thing. It's good because it pushes you harder in every aspect of your playing. Bad because it can lower your confidence. We all HEAR music differently, I'm sure if you ask Henrik if he's happy about his playig 100% of the time his answer maybe 10%.
Dont be so hard on yourself
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 3 2005 1:36:57
 
Miguel de Maria

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From: Phoenix, AZ

RE: Compositional tools?? Anyone?? (in reply to Rain) 
It was funny, one time some friends and I were at a concert, and I think it was the Buena Vista Social Club. We were watching Manuel Galban the guitarist, who didn't particulary impress us. But he was into it! As my friend said, "He loves his s***t!" So there was a guy who seemed very pleased indeed with his music. It would be fun to be like that.
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 4 2005 21:55:14
 
Florian

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From: Adelaide/Australia

RE: Compositional tools?? Anyone?? (in reply to larone) 
Rain my self estime if just fine :-) acctualy probably too fine lol in a no so obvious way i was just trying to pay henrik a compliment whos a friend.
Belive me I belive in my abilities enough, I know what i need to be doing and i know how to get there but I also dont mind beeing honest with myself if i dont like something :-)

thank you for trying to get my confidence up when you tought that I needed the encouragement tho.
I was trying to pretend like I am humble :-) Good help the world if I got rich or famous I would not wear it modestly , I would be like :
" - Dont you know who I am ? "
And i would hire people for no reason just beacuse I could , I would hire one person to change my strings ( I hate that ), I would also hire someone to read me the posts here and type replies for me :-)
  REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE |  Date Aug. 6 2005 1:35:36
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