Technicians... perhaps an Idear....

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gerundino63

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Joined: Jul. 11 2003
From: The Netherlands

Technicians... perhaps an Idear....

Hi all the technical guys and girls around here.

I have a litlle idear, do not know if it usefull, but here it is.

when i made a little falseta, and want to know if it is correct in compas, i use the metronome.
Ofcours, very slowly, because it is good to see if it is correct, and the piece is new, so i cannot play it correct very smoothly.

My problem is this, I start, at f.i. 1, play, and if I make a mistake, I have to wait till it is at 1 again to try the next attempt.

So, if i make a mistake at 4 i have to wait 8 beats to try agai'.

Is it possible to make a metronome that start when you start playing??

( Now I use my son for it, he counts perfect, but hey, the guy have homework too!!)

When it is a good idear, and you like to steal it, it is ok, but the first metronome that works with this idear is free for me, o.k.?

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2005 11:59:09

Jim Opfer

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Joined: Jul. 19 2003
From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to gerundino63)

I got one, given to me by an old friend who's now moved away to another City and I've lost contact.
It's called a 'Startrometer' made in S.Korea and it works pretty well, stops and starts when I do.

Jim.

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2005 12:35:41

flyeogh

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RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to gerundino63)

Jim, that sounds scary

. Are you sure that a clone of Peter’s son is not inside?

I would have thought the problem is not the starting but the stopping. It could be a “rest” and not the end! If you had a computer based metronome it would be easy. You could control it by voice recognition – and thus you could go beyond start and stop {Oh s**t!! - better give him 20 seconds to compose himself and then restart} . Or you could connect it to a foot pedal. This would not be difficult.

But Peter your son is a much more versatlile option. He can after all do far more than a metronome. He could be trained (given financial incentive) to:

Spontaneously applaud; shout ‘ole’ encouragements, get a cold beer from the fridge, etc. And homework is not all it’s cracked up to be. After all if he is going to be a flamenco he won’t need calculus – will he

???

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2005 12:49:20

gerundino63

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Joined: Jul. 11 2003
From: The Netherlands

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to flyeogh)

Hi Jim! I did not know such thing existed!

And Flyeogh, The stopping is indeed a problem....

I talked to my son, but the $ sighn got in his eyes, with his calculating is nothing wrong...

Perhaps ask my wife......................Nah, better not

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2005 14:31:28

Ricardo

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From: Washington DC

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to gerundino63)

Peter, what is wrong w/ using a normal metronome not unlike the one in your avatar? Of course digital is more accurate, but you can start whenever you want ....tick tick tick...

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2005 23:04:43

gerundino63

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From: The Netherlands

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to Ricardo)

Yers Ricardo, you are right,

But with composing it is nice to see wich count you are, it should make things a lot easyer for me.
Ofcourse it is possible to count for your self, It is not too difficult when you can play something allready.

But For me annyway, it is difficult if you make a new thing... to play it correct right away, and to count, and compose at the same time.

If the metronome counts and start when I start, i see when i am on 8 and I have to fill it up to 10 or 12, just what is neccesary.

Peter

P.S. It is difficult for me to explain, I hope you understand everything

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 13 2005 23:30:07

Thomas Whiteley

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Joined: Jul. 8 2003
From: San Francisco Bay Area

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to gerundino63)

Peter;

You might be able to use TablEdit to advantage. It will allow you to compose and you can start your falseta on 1, 12 or whatever you like. Then you can slow down or speed up the tempo to suit yourself. Put it into a loop and away you go!

Another idea is to use a Metronome like a Matrix MR-600. You can set it and listen or watch the red light indicate the begining of the beat and the green lights as well.

Still another way is to feel the music. That takes a bit of training and being born in Spain will put you ahead of the game!

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2005 1:09:49

Ricardo

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From: Washington DC

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to gerundino63)

I understand, you want some help, some sign posts, for the phrasing. Of course it is better to have this internalized, and use the metronome for timing, tempo. But also, you can use bulerias palmas (phrases of 6) to stop and start without waiting for 12 beats to go by. Also, this will make your phrases feel right, since that is the main flamenco percussion (not heavy accented beats like 12, 3,6,8,10).

ToddK has a very nice palmas loop in 6's on his site. I think it is good to practice your phrasing w/ that, rather than a metronome that accents heavy beats. Check it out...

http://www.1-2-free-forums.com/mf/flamencoguitar-about129.html

Ricardo

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2005 5:24:43

gerundino63

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From: The Netherlands

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to Thomas Whiteley)

Hey Thomas

The tab edit is an good idear!
As long the metronome that starts when you start isnot there, a good solution.

The metronome you are talking about, if I understand corect, still make you wait for the
beats are finished, before you can make your second attempt.

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2005 9:32:31

gerundino63

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From: The Netherlands

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to Ricardo)

Hi Ricardo!

This is a very nice loop, downloaded it, and very nice to use.

The only thing, is , the thing i like to have, is a thing that stops on count 4 if I stop, and start play again on count 4 when i start again.
That would be a good help for composing.

Peter

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date May 14 2005 9:38:33

Jim Opfer

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From: Glasgow, Scotland.

RE: Technicians... perhaps an Idear.... (in reply to flyeogh)

quote:

Jim, that sounds scary . Are you sure that a clone of Peter’s son is not inside?

I've rattled it around a bit and he's not there

Stopping's no problem, it stops if there's no new sound. Set to 3 seconds but I can alter this interval if required. Just needs a screwdriver turn (+ or -) on the slotted brass head on the back. Ingenious