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Ricardo
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Joined: Dec. 14 2004
From: Washington DC
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RE: question on palos structure (in reply to rogeliocan)
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ORIGINAL: rogeliocan Could someone clarify how the rhythms are described? I see both 4/4 and 2/4 used to describe Tangos. And I see 6/8 + 3/4 to describe solea, bulerias... For Tangos, I understand 4/4 but the 2/4, I don't really get. If these are only used to describe the form than, I get it, as these fall in what they call the binary rhythms. But if they are for actual bar time signature... would you every write a Tangos in 2/4? For solea, I find it also bizzare. If you add these notes up you end up with a cycle of 12 eight notes... but you really have 12 quarter notes per cycle... You are talking about meter and how to notate or think of it. You must first define what your beat is...is it the quarter note or the half note or somehting else? Then to be clear you need to state how fast it is...quarter note = 96 or half note =96 will change the way we write the meter....but the music sound can be the same. As a general rule I personally prefer to always define my foot tap or march as the quarter note. In some cases of 3 or 6 rhythms, you define the dotted quarter. So for tango or rumba, dancers count 12345678... there is no real 8/8 meter, we just call it 4 and the dancers would be counting 8th notes, doing palmas they might omit 1 and 5. So my quarter notes are on 1, 3,5, 7 (where my foot lands). At 96 bpm this phrase can be written in 4/4. But, the feel is like Bb on the first 2 beats, and the A chord on the last two beats. We encounter often the half compas so it might be safer to think of the fundamental feel as in 2/4 (cut the measure in half, nothing more), so Bb is in the first measure, the A chord in the second measure...and any half compases are not too weird. Some people want to define the palmas as quarter notes so the foot taps are half notes...so half note = 96 but quarter =192 ...the feel is the same but we must write this as 4/4, so the Bb is now the first bar of 4 and the second bar is the A chord (same thing as in the 2/4 notated at half the speed). Like I said, a general rule for me is the foot doesn't need to go so fast, and can ALWAYS be the quarter note. Makes things easier, especially when you use a metronome that normal only goes to 208. Ricardo
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