differences in cantiñas

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Anders Eliasson

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differences in cantiñas

Ok, some more theory, which I find very interesting to read and which is difficult to find other places than right here.

Romerito wrote in the solXbul thread

"Something to keep in mind-"post paco" players have lost alot. There are so many forms that aren't done anymore. The Romera and Rosa and Alegria were at one time supposed to have a different aire. And each of them very different than the Solxbul. Now they have all adopted the solxbul aire(although part of their aire comes from tonality.)
The cantina family has nothing to do with solea-i was just trying to illustrate that speed is only one factor in the aire of each toque. They are now blurred."

So can someone explain the difference between Alegrias, Romeros, Rosas, caracoles etc. For me they sound like Alegries all of them.

If I play a Rosa, what should I look for. When I hear players like Niño Ricardo etc, they play rosas and they have this old school feel, where speed is changed acording to the falsetas etc. I like that. It means I can play the difficult falsetas slower ...... or what?

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Ricardo

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RE: differences in cantiñas (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

The melodies are each different. Mirabras too. And the colatillas too (the ending refrain). The colatilla for Mirabra is more similar to the one used for Romeras, verses the one used for Alegrias, at least the versions I have heard. The rhythm of guitar is the same type of thing for it all. Sometimes the place you change chords might be different, but it depends how the singer stretches the melody. And Caracoles goes to relative phrygian mode (in key of C there is a change to E phrygian like solea tonality, but it goes back to C eventually), Alegrias de Cordoba and Rosas go to PARALLEL minor (in E major the change goes to E minor).

I am not clear on the rules/regulations of mixing and matching letras and colatillas for a dance or a "Cantiñas" cante solo. But you won't hear a guitarist suddenly "change aire" in the middle of the performance, just because there is a different style being sung. The key chosen by the guitarist to accompany with, determines most of the "aire" just because of the sound of the guitar.

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Exitao

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RE: differences in cantiñas (in reply to Anders Eliasson) 1 votes

I hesitate to mention these resources, for while I am an unabashed pirate of the internet seas I just don't care for arguing ethics, and people usually do.

Anyway, on eMule I found some interesting resources which are pertinent to this discusion. I don't know if they were compiled by people or were CD sets or not, but the names of the sets were:

Muestras de [Cantes(192) y Falsetas(187)]
Composed of:
-- 164 muestras de los diversos palos flamencos
-- 187 Falsetas

Early cante flamenco - 1930´s
Some singers are Tomas Pavon, Pepe Pinto, Antonio Mairena, Manolita de Jerez...

TODO EL FLAMENCO (Los palos de la A a la Z)
Composed of:
- - - De la Alboreá a la Caña
- - - De las Marianas a la Saeta
- - - De Los Caracoles A Los Fandangos
- - - De los Fandangos a las Malagueñas
- - - De la Seguiriya a la Soleá
- - - De los Tangos al Zorongo

A lot of good old authentic and new traditional recordings. Could probably help you guys with this conversation...

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 27 2006 10:01:10

JasonM

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RE: differences in cantiñas (in reply to Anders Eliasson)

I got yelled at by a dance teacher for playing alegrias in C instead of E or A. I got bored of playing in E. I guess she recognized the key and told me I couldn't play cantinas because we were doing alegrias. Why should it matter?

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REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Nov. 27 2006 22:45:09

orsonw

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RE: differences in cantiñas (in reply to Ricardo)

quote:

I am not clear on the rules/regulations of mixing and matching letras and colatillas for a dance or a "Cantiñas" cante solo

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Mixing of cantes is relatively new.

I take it that these days if a singer starts with a few letra por cantiñas and then ends with a colatillas por alegrias (all accompanied in E), then no flamenco crime has been committed?

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