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Jeff H

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Joined: Jan. 21 2004

Graf Martinez

For those of you with book I...page 26

the IMA downstroke

Is this play all three together and if so how are the fingers positioned

I will assume that all three are played at the same time not in succession

but are they played at a slight angle ...
from the book " the basic position of the fingers executing the stroke is the same as in the "a-m-i " rasgueo "

and what is the purpose or use of this stroke in a normal context?

Also for fun:

What's wrong with the picture of Paco de Lucia on page 90 ?

Jeff H

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Jan. 30 2005 17:56:02

Jeff H

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Joined: Jan. 21 2004

RE: Graf Martinez (in reply to Jeff H)

So with all the talk about Graf Martinez.. no one has the book...?

If you think my question too simplistic about the "stroke" ,
at least for a bit of intrigue and humor check out the photo.

jjh

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2005 14:20:08

Jon Boyes

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RE: Graf Martinez (in reply to Jeff H)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeff H
So with all the talk about Graf Martinez.. no one has the book...?

If you think my question too simplistic about the "stroke" ,
at least for a bit of intrigue and humor check out the photo.

I have the book, but its in a different location to me when I am online. I meant to look last night, dug out the book then remembered that I didn't have your page ref. to hand

I'll have a look tomorrow.

NOTHING is too simplistic when it comes to flamenco.

Jon

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2005 15:16:27

Jon Boyes

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RE: Graf Martinez (in reply to Jeff H)

OK, IMA are all played together.

GM is suggesting starting with all fingers in the ready same position as if doing AMI rasgueado - in other words, the fingers are curled and placed on the inside of a cocked thumb. Flicking against the thumb gives a more articulate 'ping' type stroke which is how rasgueado is played/taught these days.

What is the purpose of this stroke? Well its heavier than a downstroke with just I, so if you want a more emphatic stroke to emphasise the compas (ie the accents), you could use it. In this particular exercise, you are just training that stroke, so its all a bit one dimensional, but in real toque that I finger would be tickling away on the top strings quite a lot keeping the rhythm going, and you can drop an IMA (or simply MA, or whatever..) now and again to mark the accents (the other way of course with golpe).

That's a terrible woolly explanation of what is a lot easier to demonstrate!

As for the picture, either its a reverse or Paco is tuning his guitar the wrong way around for a laugh...

Jon

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2005 18:48:51

Jeff H

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RE: Graf Martinez (in reply to Jeff H)

Jon,

Thanks for the explanation.

And yes, the Paco de Lucia photograph is reversed

Note his shirt buttons the wrong way and the bass strings on the reversed guitar are at the top so the guitar is not simply "flipped", its backwards

Jeff

I'll get to the other "errors" later... might as well sinc the material is overwhelming me : )

REPORT THIS POST AS INAPPROPRIATE | Date Feb. 1 2005 19:04:12